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Anyone know which are the components of Klimax DS/1 are causing the improvements ?
2011-06-06, 11:59 (This post was last modified: 2011-06-07 23:42 by HiViUser.)
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Anyone know which are the components of Klimax DS/1 are causing the improvements ?
Wink

From the great photos of Vladimir, the Klimax DS uses Lundhal LL1527

http://forums.linn.co.uk/bb/showthread.p...#pid130323

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However, the Klimax DS/1 uses Lundhal LL7401 but with additional component in red colour at the analog output stage.

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I believe this may be one of the effort from Linn to enhance the analog output further.

Anyone in the field of electronics can explain or point out to us ?

Tongue

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[Image: LinnKlimaxDS1-01a.jpg]


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2011-06-06, 12:11
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RE: Anyone know which are the components of Klimax DS/1 are causing the improvements ?
Both the digital board and the analog board looks completly different compared to the former KDS.

Hmm
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2011-06-06, 13:22 (This post was last modified: 2011-06-06 13:26 by HiViUser.)
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RE: Anyone know which are the components of Klimax DS/1 are causing the improvements ?
(2011-06-06 12:11)Cremona Wrote:  Both the digital board and the analog board looks completly different compared to the former KDS.

Hmm

Yes, there are also more components on the board of KDS/1.

The empty space within the Klimax DS is much more than Klimax DS/1.

Rolleyes

There is an extra power switch near the display panel. I suppose it is for New Klimax DS/1 for more easy access to power on/off.

The upgrade Klimax DS/1 will use the original switch at the back of the original case.

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2011-06-06, 13:26 (This post was last modified: 2011-06-06 13:30 by Briain.)
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RE: Anyone know which are the components of Klimax DS/1 are causing the improvements ?
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Yes, I can; it's all due to moving the earth lug that you can see sitting below the ferrite choke you can see in the bottom left of the above picture; everything else is purely cosmetic and it was changed only to justify the price of the upgrade kit! Tongue Big Grin

Actually, the real truth is that Murray very kindly took me through many of the changes he's made; there are actually quite a lot of cool improvements to the circuit! It's not for me to discuss them as there would be IP issues to consider as companies like Naim or Rega might be reading this and pinch some of them. Come to think on it, companies Pioneer might even be reading this and pinch some of them! Smile

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2011-06-06, 13:58
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RE: Anyone know which are the components of Klimax DS/1 are causing the improvements ?
I've heard the only difference is added Talisker.

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2011-06-06, 13:59
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RE: Anyone know which are the components of Klimax DS/1 are causing the improvements ?
(2011-06-06 13:26)Briain Wrote:  [Image: 142549305.jpg]


Hi

Yes, I can; it's all due to moving the earth lug that you can see sitting below the ferrite choke you can see in the bottom left of the above picture; everything else is purely cosmetic and it was changed only to justify the price of the upgrade kit! Tongue Big Grin

Actually, the real truth is that Murray very kindly took me through many of the changes he's made; there are actually quite a lot of cool improvements to the circuit! It's not for me to discuss them as there would be IP issues to consider as companies like Naim or Rega might be reading this and pinch some of them. Come to think on it, companies Pioneer might even be reading this and pinch some of them! Smile

Bri

Smile

Briain

You are the lucky one who knows the details of the changes in the actual designs leading to the great performance enhancement.

I would love to learn as well if you can send by PM.

I promise, I will not show to anyone and keep them only for myself as a Linn Klimax DS/1 owner and lover.

Big GrinRolleyes

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2011-06-06, 15:20
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RE: Anyone know which are the components of Klimax DS/1 are causing the improvements ?
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The DAC Portion and Analog Output Stage:


New Klimax DS/1
[Image: LinnKlimaxDS1-03a.jpg]


Old Klimax DS

[Image: LinnKlimaxDS-05a.jpg]


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2011-06-06, 17:27 (This post was last modified: 2011-06-06 17:29 by ToneDeff.)
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RE: Anyone know which are the components of Klimax DS/1 are causing the improvements ?
I think it's the gold Linn logo on the new version that makes all the difference ...... the old white ones sounded krap. Big Grin

Some may say that the completely revised layout , shorter signal paths and updated/extra components are responsible for the improvements but I would take all that with a pinch of Siberia's finest. Wink

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2011-06-06, 23:56
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RE: Anyone know which are the components of Klimax DS/1 are causing the improvements ?
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LAN and Digital Streaming Portion Comparison


Klimax DS/1
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Klimax DS

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2011-06-07, 00:08
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RE: Anyone know which are the components of Klimax DS/1 are causing the improvements ?
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Linn Dynamik Power Supply Portion

Basically, the components are identical and have not been changed


Klimax DS/1
[Image: LinnKlimaxDS1-03a-1.jpg]


Klimax DS

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