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2012-01-24, 13:30 (This post was last modified: 2012-01-24 22:16 by sussexmale.)
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Newbie (Akurate DS vs DSM)
Hi,

I been reading the forum about few months now, looking to purchased a Linn DS or DSM or Linn Akurate Power in the next few months depends on the funds. I need some advice on the following questions....

From my understanding the DSM is all in one system, that you can access media device, with pre amp and radio included. Whereas the DS is music content with analogue source only...

1. The information on the website is not clear that the DSM is compatible with linn power amplifier or its a stand alone product only....

2. Play Movies via HDMI on the DSM, do you need A/V receiver system as well, or you can play dvd/blueray directly from (dvd/blueray) disc player.....

3. To play your music files from the laptop to linn device, can you do directly via ethernet cable(source to source) or you have to used a router/ modem to be on

4. Most of my music is saved as AIFF files on a mac.Is this the format regular used for streaming (or is it mp3/aac)or i'm i old school (p.s i'm in my thirties)

5. is there any compatible issues with lacie devices working with linn products.Or do i need to look at other manufacter products.

6. the price issue for DSM range from £5,500 -£7,500 on various website.so what is the actual rrp for this product...please

At the moment my system is just my MBP 15" and MA GS 10 speakers (dormant).So i starting from scratch......long term looking to build for 2 or 3 channel hi-fi/multimedia system within the next year

may look at other system soon...

naim (got to many products and devices for newbie like me),not to sure about leaving the system on all the time. still have a look
arcam (used to have there system, to many issues at the mo -see other forum)
cyrus (don't know them well enough) may have a look
rotel (not mac compatible via laptop the high end )
linn (expensive, but maybe cheaper in the long run) Wink

Thanks for reading this and advice/feedback really appreciated. Could be sway to new ideas

mark

p.s i should be studying instead of looking at audio systems....
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2012-01-24, 16:57 (This post was last modified: 2012-01-24 16:58 by marcusjb.)
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RE: Newbie (Akurate DS vs DSM)
Looking at audio systems is waaaaay more exciting than studying!

Let's see if I can answer each of those for you:

1. Akurate DSM is totally compatible with Linn power amps - you basically understand it correctly, a DS is a Digital Streamer (it's a source only), whereas the DSM range adds a pre-amp into the box (and in the case of the Majik DSM, a power amp as well). So for a working Akurate DSM system, you'll need the Akurate DSM, a power amp and speakers (ignoring active speaker cabinets just for simplicity at the moment).

2. No - you don't need an AV receiver at all - the DSM will take HDMI or digital audio inputs from Blu-ray players, Sky boxes, games consoles etc. and take the audio from the source and pass the HDMI video through to the display device (TV or projector).

3. Yes and no - I'd not run systems without routers, but that's as much to ensure that one has Internet access etc. - a router is generally going to make life easier, it will serve IP addresses from it's DHCP server etc. - life will be easy. In terms of playing music from your laptop - I assume from question 5, that you plan to have a NAS? If you are just talking about playing the odd track, bit of Spotify, YouTube etc. from your laptop onto your system, you use a piece of Linn software called Songcast that, in essence, pretends to be your soundcard and throws the music over to your DSM system. This should work fine wirelessly, if you have a decent wireless setup. Wired is better, but I've never had many problems with wireless Songcasting.

4. DS products support AIFF just fine - as to whether it's the right format, I'm not sure of the pros and cons - but most people will tend to use FLAC and ALAC these days.

5. I've not come across the Lacie NAS - but, in the Linn docs is a small warning about the Twonky server on these - http://docs.linn.co.uk/wiki/index.php/NA...ernet_Disk - many people, including myself, use the QNAP NAS with great success.

6. Price on an Akurate DSM is £5600

Hope that gives you a few pointers - as I am sure others will repeat, the best thing you can do is get to a dealer and experience how DS and DSM differ in terms of sound and functionality and decide which is best for you.

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2012-01-24, 17:47
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Just a little extra on 2) - the output from the DSM will be stereo only. Linn are pitching this as all you need and I am not yet aware of anyone who has linked up a DSM product into a full surround system. I am also not clear as to what happens to the center channel audio.

CJ

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2012-01-24, 17:57
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(2012-01-24 17:47)CJ1045 Wrote:  Just a little extra on 2) - the output from the DSM will be stereo only. Linn are pitching this as all you need and I am not yet aware of anyone who has linked up a DSM product into a full surround system. I am also not clear as to what happens to the center channel audio.

CJ
Good point to have highlighted - I should have explained it better, you don't have to have an AV receiver, but there's nothing stopping you having one if you want multi-channel playback.

In a simple DSM, two-channel setup. centre channel information will be presented in the left and right channels; it's just like plugging your Blu-ray player into a TV - the source is 'told' that the display (or DSM) can only handle two-channel playback and will then not send 5.1 audio.

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2012-01-24, 20:13
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Bit more on 4)...

AIFF is a lossless format and as such there should be no difference between the sound generated by AIFF, FLAC or ALAC files. A lot of people like it because iTunes will handle the files directly without the need for any patches (which are available for FLAC files). This provides an easy way of correcting any problems you have with the metadata on your files. (I would not recommend using it for ripping as it is not very robust - most people use dbpoweramp for that purpose)

There are various threads on here debating the issue of sound quality but unless there is a problem with the ripper/coder that you use all lossless formats will present the same bits to the DAC in the DS/DSM. Thus they sound the same. Ask the experts at Linn - they will also tell you that lossless is lossless.

If you need any more convincing you are on the right track then have a listen - the only thing that really matters is what your own ears tell you!

Enjoy!

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Peter-Marc

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2012-01-24, 23:21 (This post was last modified: 2012-01-24 23:31 by sussexmale.)
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Thanks you for the feedback : marcusjb, fortune, and CJ1045

Anyone !!!!!!!

Hopefully i viewing some audio systems next week.on a technical note 1 last question ?

When accessing the iPhone/iPad (Wireless control point) as a remote control. it can only send the information 'accessing the music' through 'UPnP' not through bluetooth technology ?

This may sound a silly question,Is this correct or wrong..... because i got bluetooth on the mac pro book ,i don't know if the iPhone/ipad work with bluetooth or WAP technology for sending the signal only.

(sorry i hope that make sense)

Thanks again

Mark
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2012-01-25, 09:14
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RE: Newbie (Akurate DS vs DSM)
(2012-01-24 23:21)sussexmale Wrote:  Thanks you for the feedback : marcusjb, fortune, and CJ1045

Anyone !!!!!!!

Hopefully i viewing some audio systems next week.on a technical note 1 last question ?

When accessing the iPhone/iPad (Wireless control point) as a remote control. it can only send the information 'accessing the music' through 'UPnP' not through bluetooth technology ?

This may sound a silly question,Is this correct or wrong..... because i got bluetooth on the mac pro book ,i don't know if the iPhone/ipad work with bluetooth or WAP technology for sending the signal only.

(sorry i hope that make sense)

Thanks again

Mark


You also have wifi on your macbook pro Wink

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2012-01-25, 10:32 (This post was last modified: 2012-01-25 10:52 by sussexmale.)
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"You also have wifi on your macbook pro Wink "

Thanks. I understand the wi-fi signal between my modem/router and internet access.My query was,in essence for iphone/ipad/ipod access as remote control only via wifi devices, this will only work if there internet connection on ?

iPod in a docking station works mainly via infrared remote (IR) technology .So this the same principles via iPhone/ipad

- Accessing music only via itunes.Not accessing the web content -

i'm understand Airplay (unofficial) will only work with internet access only.Playing devices via Linn products,you need wi-fi connection. So for NAS drive connected to a Linn device (not a laptop) will work only via (wi-fi) not infrared technology.


p.s. i haven't got an iPhone yet (old skool) getting one in 2012

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2012-01-25, 13:01 (This post was last modified: 2012-01-25 13:03 by Klingsor.)
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(2012-01-25 10:32)sussexmale Wrote:  "You also have wifi on your macbook pro Wink "

Thanks. I understand the wi-fi signal between my modem/router and internet access.My query was,in essence for iphone/ipad/ipod access as remote control only via wifi devices, this will only work if there internet connection on ?

iPod in a docking station works mainly via infrared remote (IR) technology .So this the same principles via iPhone/ipad

- Accessing music only via itunes.Not accessing the web content -

i'm understand Airplay (unofficial) will only work with internet access only.Playing devices via Linn products,you need wi-fi connection. So for NAS drive connected to a Linn device (not a laptop) will work only via (wi-fi) not infrared technology.


p.s. i haven't got an iPhone yet (old skool) getting one in 2012

thanks

mark

You seem to be confusing network terminology and standards a bit.

Bluetooth is a short range, medium speed, point to point connection between two devices. Range and transmission rate are not suitable for high quality lossless music.

The WiFi wireless network, with devices connecting to your router that also serves as a WiFi access point, is not the internet but a local area network (LAN). The router (hence the name) connects this LAN to the Internet, but keeping both networks seperate allowing only certain types of connections for security reasons.

You don't need any Internet connectivity for the playback of locally stored content, no matter if you use iTunes/Airplay or UPnP.

To control a Linn DS system you need to be connected to the LAN, preferably wirelessly via WiFi, so you can move around freely without a cable. Some devices like iPhones and Pads obviously will connect via WiFi only .

The NAS which stores your music, should be connected to your router via standard Etherner cable, to ensure reliable data transfer to the DS.

Hope this helps.
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2012-01-26, 19:45
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RE: Newbie (Akurate DS vs DSM)
Klingsor : Thanks for the input made things much clearer now.....

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