dLink DWL3200 AP

[Tew CS]

Hi,
Just bought a Linn Majik DSM. Currently just connect the DSM to Qnap NAS using normal router.
I would like the linn Majik System to tap to my current wifi network to access internet station. Spoke to the linn installer and bought a Dlink DWL3200AP.
HOwever, we have problem detecting my present wifi network using this Dlink router with access point.
Anyone using the same setup? We've tried google online and even call Dlink which suggesting upgrading the firmware, but to no avail.
Rather desperately needing helps

[moomintroll]

I'm having difficulty in understanding why you've bought a wireless access point. You say you already have a working wireless network. Therefore you already have a wireless router in that? I assume that you have a wireless device, such as iPad or laptop, that you wish to use as a Control Point, using Kinsky perhaps, to control the DS?

In that case, you need to connect the router connecting your DS ans NAS to your existing wireless router so that it just acts as a switch.

If I've completely understood you, perhaps some detail of your network might help us advise you further.

'troll

[Tew CS]

(2012-04-26 10:17)moomintroll Wrote:  I'm having difficulty in understanding why you've bought a wireless access point. You say you already have a working wireless network. Therefore you already have a wireless router in that? I assume that you have a wireless device, such as iPad or laptop, that you wish to use as a Control Point, using Kinsky perhaps, to control the DS?

In that case, you need to connect the router connecting your DS ans NAS to your existing wireless router so that it just acts as a switch.

If I've completely understood you, perhaps some detail of your network might help us advise you further.

'troll

Thanks for reply.
My internet router was located on ground floor. This linn system is on 3rd floor. I still able to detect my ground floor internet signal using my ipad and iphone. So I would like to connect the linn player wirelessly to my ground floor internet signal. To do so, I need an router with access point for the linn player right?

[Tew CS]

(2012-04-26 10:22)Tew CS Wrote:  

(2012-04-26 10:17)moomintroll Wrote:  I'm having difficulty in understanding why you've bought a wireless access point. You say you already have a working wireless network. Therefore you already have a wireless router in that? I assume that you have a wireless device, such as iPad or laptop, that you wish to use as a Control Point, using Kinsky perhaps, to control the DS?

In that case, you need to connect the router connecting your DS ans NAS to your existing wireless router so that it just acts as a switch.

If I've completely understood you, perhaps some detail of your network might help us advise you further.

'troll

Thanks for reply.
My internet router was located on ground floor. This linn system is on 3rd floor. I still able to detect my ground floor internet signal using my ipad and iphone. So I would like to connect the linn player wirelessly to my ground floor internet signal. To do so, I need an router with access point for the linn player right?

and i wish to use internet radio on the DSM. that's why i need to connect to the net

[moomintroll]

Well, if you get a good wireless signal between the 3rd floor and ground floor, the simplest way to connect is using ethernet cable. Is there no way you could do this, even to run cable outside the building? Or, is it a shared router in an apartment block?

If it's one house with a common mains supply running throughout, you could use ethernet over mains homeplugs, but I suspect the advice to use wireless is because you are separate apartments.

I think you need to be looking to use the 3200 as a wireless bridge, d-link call this WDS mode, but you may find that you need another d-link router operating in WDS mode to be connected directly to the router downstairs for this to work.

I'm at the limit of my experience here, so we need some more networking input from the guys on the forum.

'troll

[Briain]

(2012-04-26 10:22)Tew CS Wrote:  Thanks for reply.
My internet router was located on ground floor. This linn system is on 3rd floor. I still able to detect my ground floor internet signal using my ipad and iphone. So I would like to connect the linn player wirelessly to my ground floor internet signal. To do so, I need an router with access point for the linn player right?

Hi

There are two ways you can use a second WAP:

1. You can plug it into one of your existing router/switch ports via a long cat5 cable from the top floor back to the ground floor (or even by using Homeplugs to link it from the top floor back to the ground floor). When you do that, you can set the SSID and wireless password the same in both the wireless section of your ground floor router/switch/WAP unit, and in your WAP on the top floor. You then set them to different wireless channels such that they don't interfere with each other. When doing that, bear in mind that there are really only three non-overlapping wireless channels; 1, 6 and 11. So if you set the ground floor to 6, set the top floor to 1 (or 11). Doing that will enable any portable device (like your iPad) to seamlessly 'roam' between the two units as you walk from the top floor down to the ground floor whilst browsing the internet (provided you don't fall down the stairs by not paying attention to where you are going)!!

2. You can set the upstairs one up as a wireless bridge. In that mode, it doesn't act like a WAP, but instead acts as an extender to the existing network (you have to select 'Bridge mode' in the WAP). What that means is you could set the ground floor to channel 1, then set the top floor to channel 1 and it will act as a radio link to extend the Ethernet to the top floor (and you can then plug a DS into the WAP's Ethernet port).

Option 2 is what I have set up at my mother's house (as a stop-gap until I fix up a permanent solution) and it does work well, but it means the upstairs WAP is only acting as a link to the downstairs one (so you'll not be able to attach your iPad to it, it will have to attach to the downstairs one.

The best option would be a variation on scenario 1 as that means you're getting enhanced wireless coverage for everything upstairs (as opposed to just using the WAP as a bridge for the DS) so although option 2 would get you going right away, I'd suggest also buying a set of Homeplugs and using them to provide the inter-floor network link. When doing that, buy one with at least two Ethernet sockets on it as you'll have to plug the top floor WAP into one of them and the DS into the other. You can then change the top floor WAP from bridged mode into WAP mode and you'll have rock-solid wireless coverage throughout the house.

Whilst Homeplugs are an 'easy' fix to attain that setup, as the 'troll correctly states the 'Rolls Royce' solution would be to run a couple of cat5 cables, but if that's out of the question, the dual-port Homeplug link would be fine.

Bri

PS If you can't get Homeplugs to extend the network that far (their functionality depends on the house wiring layout) then yet another option is to buy a wireless bridge (about £40 for the Netgear one) and use that to link back to the ground floor (with a switch upstairs to feed both the upstairs WAP and DS) but I'll not go into that option now (if you need to know about that one, let me know and I'll respond at that stage).

[Tew CS]

(2012-04-26 13:25)Briain Wrote:  

(2012-04-26 10:22)Tew CS Wrote:  Thanks for reply.
My internet router was located on ground floor. This linn system is on 3rd floor. I still able to detect my ground floor internet signal using my ipad and iphone. So I would like to connect the linn player wirelessly to my ground floor internet signal. To do so, I need an router with access point for the linn player right?

Hi

There are two ways you can use a second WAP:

1. You can plug it into one of your existing router/switch ports via a long cat5 cable from the top floor back to the ground floor (or even by using Homeplugs to link it from the top floor back to the ground floor). When you do that, you can set the SSID and wireless password the same in both the wireless section of your ground floor router/switch/WAP unit, and in your WAP on the top floor. You then set them to different wireless channels such that they don't interfere with each other. When doing that, bear in mind that there are really only three non-overlapping wireless channels; 1, 6 and 11. So if you set the ground floor to 6, set the top floor to 1 (or 11). Doing that will enable any portable device (like your iPad) to seamlessly 'roam' between the two units as you walk from the top floor down to the ground floor whilst browsing the internet (provided you don't fall down the stairs by not paying attention to where you are going)!!

2. You can set the upstairs one up as a wireless bridge. In that mode, it doesn't act like a WAP, but instead acts as an extender to the existing network (you have to select 'Bridge mode' in the WAP). What that means is you could set the ground floor to channel 1, then set the top floor to channel 1 and it will act as a radio link to extend the Ethernet to the top floor (and you can then plug a DS into the WAP's Ethernet port).

Option 2 is what I have set up at my mother's house (as a stop-gap until I fix up a permanent solution) and it does work well, but it means the upstairs WAP is only acting as a link to the downstairs one (so you'll not be able to attach your iPad to it, it will have to attach to the downstairs one.

The best option would be a variation on scenario 1 as that means you're getting enhanced wireless coverage for everything upstairs (as opposed to just using the WAP as a bridge for the DS) so although option 2 would get you going right away, I'd suggest also buying a set of Homeplugs and using them to provide the inter-floor network link. When doing that, buy one with at least two Ethernet sockets on it as you'll have to plug the top floor WAP into one of them and the DS into the other. You can then change the top floor WAP from bridged mode into WAP mode and you'll have rock-solid wireless coverage throughout the house.

Whilst Homeplugs are an 'easy' fix to attain that setup, as the 'troll correctly states the 'Rolls Royce' solution would be to run a couple of cat5 cables, but if that's out of the question, the dual-port Homeplug link would be fine.

Bri

PS If you can't get Homeplugs to extend the network that far (their functionality depends on the house wiring layout) then yet another option is to buy a wireless bridge (about £40 for the Netgear one) and use that to link back to the ground floor (with a switch upstairs to feed both the upstairs WAP and DS) but I'll not go into that option now (if you need to know about that one, let me know and I'll respond at that stage).

Hi Bri,
Thanks for the reply. It seems complicated to me and currently I am getting Linn Installer to help me out. The Installer is coming over the weekend and let see what can be done. Will keep u guys updated.

[Kona]

Sorry for borrowing the thread, but I face a similar problem. I have six DS zones and I been trying to link them into one network. I have two groups of three, but my problem is the link between the two subnetworks. Naturally I would prefer an ethernet link, but there is just no good solution for that. I have had two network specialists in my home, but neither could come up with an answer due to the layout of the house.

So I tried homeplugs (Devolo 200AV) but it didnt work at all. Horrible dropouts, if a link over the wires even could be established.

I use a Dlink DAP-2590 as WAP today and it has a very strong signal in all parts of the house. So here is my question: Would a mesh network between two DAP-2590 be able to provide enough bandwith and reliability to let me connect the two DS networks? That is, have the NAS connected to one of the networks and then stream content over the wireless bridge from one WAP to the next acting as WDS? The second WAP could then be connected to a good switch which in turn would have wired connections to the three DS locations in the second subnetwork.

Since I want to use partymode between several DS locations, Im guessing that alot of traffic will run over the wireless bridge. Even if fuctions like IGMP snooping is used. The good thing is that it is possible to place the two WAPs within a few meters from each other without too much obstruction between them.

If the WAP solution would work it would be very handy. I guess I can always get the second DAP-2590 and try it out, but if it is a certain dead end I would rather save that money for the extensive work needed if pulling an ethernet cable through the floor if that is the only viable solution.

So the bottom line: Is it possible for two DAP 2590 to create a strong enough wireless bridge for connecting three DS in a sub network to the other DS network (which the NAS is also connected to).