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2009-03-25, 16:06
Post: #11
RE: Trampolin
Cymbiosis Wrote:
Rille Wrote:The Trampolin 1 should be the better choice. But I haven't improved it by myself.

The Tramploin 2 is better in nearly all applications than Trampolin 1 IMHO

The only time I wouldn't use one is with a Mana support where solid seems to work better.Smile

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Peter

Hallo Peter,

what do mean with a "Mana support".

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2009-03-25, 16:20
Post: #12
RE: Trampolin
"good bang for buck"

means it is a great upgrade, for little money
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2009-03-25, 17:28
Post: #13
RE: Trampolin
Mana Supports were made by Mana Acoustics who shut down a few years ago - they reached near mythical status before their collapse. They were a variety of stands and tables for holding hifi.

They could get a little out of hand (but I have seen worse!!)

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2009-03-25, 19:22
Post: #14
RE: Trampolin
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ThomasOK Wrote:I prefer the latter as the Trampolin 2, being made of aluminium is more difficult to trim.

I have heard from my retailer that the Trampolin 2 works good together with a keeled Lp12. Perhaps it is necessary. But it doesn't work good with a non keeled Lp12. The Trampolin 1 should be the better choice. But I haven't improved it by myself.

I have put Trampolin 2s on a fair number of LP12s without the Keel upgrade and everyone has been quite happy with the musical improvement. Many were rather surprised that it made such an improvement in their enjoyment of the music (as was I the first time I heard it by itself). A substantial improvement over the Trampolin 1 and definitely one of the best buys in upgrades out there.

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2009-03-25, 20:05
Post: #15
RE: Trampolin
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Rille Wrote:
ThomasOK Wrote:I prefer the latter as the Trampolin 2, being made of aluminium is more difficult to trim.

I have heard from my retailer that the Trampolin 2 works good together with a keeled Lp12. Perhaps it is necessary. But it doesn't work good with a non keeled Lp12. The Trampolin 1 should be the better choice. But I haven't improved it by myself.

I have put Trampolin 2s on a fair number of LP12s without the Keel upgrade and everyone has been quite happy with the musical improvement. Many were rather surprised that it made such an improvement in their enjoyment of the music (as was I the first time I heard it by itself). A substantial improvement over the Trampolin 1 and definitely one of the best buys in upgrades out there.

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2009-03-26, 01:07
Post: #16
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ThomasOK Wrote:I have put Trampolin 2s on a fair number of LP12s without the Keel upgrade and everyone has been quite happy with the musical improvement. Many were rather surprised that it made such an improvement in their enjoyment of the music (as was I the first time I heard it by itself). A substantial improvement over the Trampolin 1 and definitely one of the best buys in upgrades out there.

Hi Thomas,

I'd be grateful for some info from you about the T2. Smile

My understanding of the T1 was that this was really only an "improvement" for those LP12 owners who couldn't (for some reason) put their LP12 on a light table which didn't suffer from footfall problems. However, it didn't do anything for LP12s which, say, were mounted on a light wall-shelf (which wasn't affected by footfalls).

The T2, on the other hand,[/i] seems to be advantageous for any LP12 - irrespective of the way it's mounted?

Is this because the aluminium construction stiffens up the plinth (when the T2 is screwed in place)?

2nd question - does the T2 have adjustable feet so you can produce a stable, level plinth when the wall-shelf is slightly out-of-level?

Regards,

Andy

PS: Given we have an aluminium Keel and an aluminium bottom-plate ... surely the next step must be an aluminium plinth? Smile (Although I did read somewhere that a group in Germany tried this - in the 90s? - and disliked the resulting sound?)
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2009-03-26, 19:14
Post: #17
RE: Trampolin
My understanding of the purpose of the original Trampolin is somewhat different. It really does not have an effect on footfalls nor was it designed to if I understand it correctly. I believe that the original purpose of the Trampolin was to improve the musical performance of the LP12 when it couldn't be placed on a light, rigid turntable stand or wall shelf. It was designed to filter out the ultra-low frequency energy that the suspension can't deal with and which tends to travel quite well through massive objects such as Hi-Fi racks loaded up with equipment or built-in entertainment furniture. Since the lightweight stands and wall shelves were meant to deal with the same energy it was felt that they made the Trampolin unnecessary when you had one of them.

My experience has been that The original Trampolin makes a definite musical improvement regardless of the stand the turntable is on. I have used my LP12 with a Trampolin on a Target wall shelf as well as Sound Organisation, AudioTech and Archidea (my favorite) floor stands. I have compared original Trampolin vs. solid base with all of them and find the Trampolin to be noticeably better in all cases. Everyone else at our store feels the same and all use a Trampolin on their LP12 including the owner who also uses the Archidea stand. We have never had a customer put on a Trampolin who wasn't impressed by the performance improvement. I have not tried a Mana stand so I can't comment on the performance with them.

The Trampolin 2 is definitely a substantial improvement over the original Trampolin. My feeling is that the Trampolin 2 is so good that even several who, for whatever reason, didn't like the original Trampolin find the Trampolin 2 to be a worthwhile upgrade. I don't know if the Trampolin 2 actually stiffens up the plinth but it is much stiffer itself. It likely also helps screen the internal components due to the aluminium construction and the grounding to the chassis.

The Trampolin 2 does have the same adjustable feet as the original did. However, the general consensus seems to be that it is better leave the Trampolin feet screwed all the way up and to use the stand to level out the LP12. I admit I have not tried to verify or disprove this theory - perhaps someone from Linn will comment on it.

I know from my own experience that the material the plinth is made of can have a distinct effect on the musicality of the LP12. Different woods do have different sound quality. It heard a rumor that Linn tried a machined-from-solid-aluminium plinth but found the musical improvement to not be cost effective considering the rather substantial price it would have to sell for.

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2009-03-26, 20:33
Post: #18
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Thanks, Thomas.

Must think about a T2. :-))

Regards,

Andy
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2009-03-26, 22:28
Post: #19
RE: Trampolin
Hi, my 2 p worth.

"Buck" means "dollar", so 'lots of bang per buck' means 'lots of improvement for the money'.

I was massively surprised by the improvement a Trampolin 1 made over a standard type of bass. A Trampolined LP12 has a naturalness of timing I've not heard from anything else. And the A-B-A comparision was done on a quality floor standing table.

I was living in Canterbury England when I got my LP12, the second most popular tourist location after London, and it has lots of buskers. My Tramp'ed LP12 had the natural timing of street buskers that I never heard from any other hifi source, including non-Tramp'ed LP12s.

Although I have a Trampolin 2 now, several other changes were made to my deck at the same time by my dealer at the time (against my wishes) so I haven't heard the differences, so can't comment, though general consenses seems to be it is much better.

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