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2015-02-17, 13:10
Post: #21
RE: MinimStreamer support for new BBC HLS AAC streams
Hi

For information, it would appear that these streams are only available to UK listeners. In France I'm able to get the 128 k mp3 feeds via Linn Radio and other sources, which is in itself an improvement on the 54k I was previously able to get, but the HLS streams are obviously geographically limited.

I can also access the higher quality Radio 3 via iTunes and Airplay, but not through Minimserver, so I'm not totally deprived, but if anyone has any other suggestions not involving the use of VPN services, I would be very interested.
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2015-02-17, 13:30
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RE: MinimStreamer support for new BBC HLS AAC streams
(2015-02-17 13:10)retraite Wrote:  Hi

For information, it would appear that these streams are only available to UK listeners. In France I'm able to get the 128 k mp3 feeds via Linn Radio and other sources, which is in itself an improvement on the 54k I was previously able to get, but the HLS streams are obviously geographically limited.

I can also access the higher quality Radio 3 via iTunes and Airplay, but not through Minimserver, so I'm not totally deprived, but if anyone has any other suggestions not involving the use of VPN services, I would be very interested.

Try changing sbr_high in the Radio 3 URL to sbr_low or low.
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2015-02-17, 13:38 (This post was last modified: 2015-02-17 14:02 by clanger9.)
Post: #23
RE: MinimStreamer support for new BBC HLS AAC streams
Yes, the streams in my playlist are UK only. I've edited my post to make that clear.

There are international HLS streams as well but apparently they are only 48k/96k AAC+. I don' t know what the sound quality is like.

Unfortunately the BBC seem to be really reluctant to actually tell anyone where the new streams are! However, if you replace the "../uk/sbr_high/.." part of the URL with "../nonuk/sbr_low/.." then you should be able to get to the international stream with MinimStreamer. I tried this in VLC and it worked - I think it's the 96k stream.

In the meantime, of course you've got the "fallback" 128k MP3 streams in DS radio.
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2015-02-17, 13:51 (This post was last modified: 2015-02-17 13:56 by mickc.)
Post: #24
RE: MinimStreamer support for new BBC HLS AAC streams
(2015-02-16 22:35)clanger9 Wrote:  Fantastic! I can now enjoy all the new HLS BBC streams in 320kbps AAC on my DS. Smile
I made a playlist with all of the known (UK only) 320kbps streams. Note these won't work outside the UK (the international URLs are slightly different and are limited to 96kbps AAC+):
Code:
#EXTM3U
#EXTINF:-1,[*R1] BBC Radio 1
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_one.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*R1X] BBC Radio 1Xtra
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_1xtra.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*R2] BBC Radio 2
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_two.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*R3] BBC Radio 3
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_three.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*R4] BBC Radio 4 FM
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_fourfm.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*R4X] BBC Radio 4 Extra
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_four_extra.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*R4L] BBC Radio 4 LW
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_fourlw.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*R5] BBC Radio 5 Live
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_five_live.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*R5X] BBC Radio 5 Live Sports Extra
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_five_live_sports_extra.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*R6] BBC Radio 6 Music
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_6music.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*AN] BBC Asian Network
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_asian_network.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*SC] BBC Radio Scotland FM
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_scotland_fm.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*SCM] BBC Radio Scotland MW
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_scotland_mw.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*NG] BBC Radio Nan Gaidheal
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_nan_gaidheal.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*UL] BBC Radio Ulster
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_ulster.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*FO] BBC Radio Foyle
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_foyle.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*WA] BBC Radio Wales
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_wales_fm.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*CY] BBC Radio Cymru
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_cymru.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*BE] BBC Radio Berkshire
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_berkshire.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*BR] BBC Radio Bristol
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_bristol.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*CA] BBC Radio Cambridge
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_cambridge.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*CO] BBC Radio Cornwall
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_cornwall.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*CW] BBC Radio Coventry Warwickshire
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_coventry_warwickshire.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*CU] BBC Radio Cumbria
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_cumbria.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*DE] BBC Radio Derby
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_derby.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*DV] BBC Radio Devon
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_devon.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*ES] BBC Radio Essex
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_essex.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*GL] BBC Radio Gloucestershire
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_gloucestershire.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*GU] BBC Radio Guernsey
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_guernsey.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*HW] BBC Radio Hereford Worcester
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_hereford_worcester.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*HU] BBC Radio Humberside
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_humberside.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*JE] BBC Radio Jersey
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_jersey.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*KE] BBC Radio Kent
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_kent.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*LA] BBC Radio Lancashire
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_lancashire.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*LE] BBC Radio Leeds
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_leeds.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*LC] BBC Radio Leicester
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_leicester.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*LI] BBC Radio Lincolnshire
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_lincolnshire.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*LO] BBC Radio London
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_london.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*MA] BBC Radio Manchester
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_manchester.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*ME] BBC Radio Merseyside
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_merseyside.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*NE] BBC Radio Newcastle
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_newcastle.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*NO] BBC Radio Norfolk
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_norfolk.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*NH] BBC Radio Northampton
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_northampton.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*NT] BBC Radio Nottingham
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_nottingham.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*OX] BBC Radio Oxford
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_oxford.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*SH] BBC Radio Sheffield
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_sheffield.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*SR] BBC Radio Shropshire
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_shropshire.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*SL] BBC Radio Solent
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_solent.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*SS] BBC Radio Somerset Sound
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_somerset_sound.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*ST] BBC Radio Stoke
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_stoke.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*SU] BBC Radio Suffolk
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_suffolk.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*SR] BBC Radio Surrey
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_surrey.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*SX] BBC Radio Sussex
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_sussex.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*TE] BBC Radio Tees
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_tees.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*3C] BBC Radio Three Counties
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_three_counties_radio.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*WI] BBC Radio Wiltshire
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_wiltshire.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*WM] BBC Radio West Midlands
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_wm.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*YO] BBC Radio York
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_york.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*WS] BBC World Service
http://bbcwsen-lh.akamaihd.net/i/WSEIEUK_1@189911/master.m3u8

For those not familiar with MinimServer:
  1. Save the above BBC Radio playlist as the text file "BBC Radio.m3u" in a new folder on your machine or NAS
  2. Download and install MinimServer
  3. Start MinimServer and point it at the folder where the BBC Radio playlist lives
  4. Go to the Mimserver properties, click on 'Packages', select 'minimstreamer', click 'Install' then click 'Relaunch'
  5. Now start Kinsky and browse to /Home/Library/MinimServer/1 playlist/BBC Radio
  6. Select 'Music Server' as the Kinsky source, double-click a radio station
  7. Enjoy!


I know I'm being a thickie here, but I only get errors using that file. I get it for all stations in the list but here're the top few:-

Scanning directory Minimstreamer
Error: playlist BBC Radio.m3u: incorrect location #EXTINF:-1,[*R1] BBC Radio 1
Error: playlist BBC Radio.m3u: incorrect location #EXTINF:-1,[*R1X] BBC Radio 1Xtra
Error: playlist BBC Radio.m3u: incorrect location #EXTINF:-1,[*R2] BBC Radio 2
Error: playlist BBC Radio.m3u: incorrect location #EXTINF:-1,[*R3] BBC Radio 3
Error: playlist BBC Radio.m3u: incorrect location #EXTINF:-1,[*R4] BBC Radio 4 FM
Error: playlist BBC Radio.m3u: incorrect location #EXTINF:-1,[*R4X] BBC Radio 4 Extra

I'm in the UK so it should work. Minim is installed on my WHS 2011 server. Wonder if there are firewall issues?

Mick

EDIT: Nope, not the firewall...

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2015-02-17, 13:52 (This post was last modified: 2015-02-17 13:56 by Donald.)
Post: #25
RE: MinimStreamer support for new BBC HLS AAC streams
From the BBC News website: -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-31487515

Key section says: -

"The BBC is also working with the radio industry and manufacturers towards using just one standard, known as Mpeg Dash, which will be industry-wide and open source, said Andrew Scott, the BBC's head of radio music product.

"The goal we are working to is to have it ready this calendar year but there is some risk in that," he said"


Mpeg Dash can be found on Wikipedia of course: -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Ada..._over_HTTP

Can someone from Linn comment on their intention or otherwise to adopt this format?

Apologies for being confused but too many TLAs!

Thanks.

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2015-02-17, 14:07 (This post was last modified: 2015-02-17 14:08 by clanger9.)
Post: #26
RE: MinimStreamer support for new BBC HLS AAC streams
(2015-02-17 13:51)mickc Wrote:  I know I'm being a thickie here, but I only get errors using that file. I get it for all stations in the list but here're the top few:-

Scanning directory Minimstreamer
Error: playlist BBC Radio.m3u: incorrect location #EXTINF:-1,[*R1] BBC Radio 1
Error: playlist BBC Radio.m3u: incorrect location #EXTINF:-1,[*R1X] BBC Radio 1Xtra
...

That file should work - you saved it as a plain text file, right?

It looks like something is wrong with MinimServer. Have you got the MinimStreamer package installed and running? I think you go to 'Properties' then the 'Packages' tab and you should see 'minimstreamer-0.52' or something like that in the list on the right hand side.

If that doesn't work, I'd try asking over at the MinimServer support forums. I don't remember having to do anything else to get it to work.
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2015-02-17, 14:22
Post: #27
RE: MinimStreamer support for new BBC HLS AAC streams
(2015-02-17 14:07)clanger9 Wrote:  
(2015-02-17 13:51)mickc Wrote:  I know I'm being a thickie here, but I only get errors using that file. I get it for all stations in the list but here're the top few:-

Scanning directory Minimstreamer
Error: playlist BBC Radio.m3u: incorrect location #EXTINF:-1,[*R1] BBC Radio 1
Error: playlist BBC Radio.m3u: incorrect location #EXTINF:-1,[*R1X] BBC Radio 1Xtra
...

That file should work - you saved it as a plain text file, right?

It looks like something is wrong with MinimServer. Have you got the MinimStreamer package installed and running? I think you go to 'Properties' then the 'Packages' tab and you should see 'minimstreamer-0.52' or something like that in the list on the right hand side.

If that doesn't work, I'd try asking over at the MinimServer support forums. I don't remember having to do anything else to get it to work.
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Hi - yes, saved in Notepad as a straight text file, and the latest version of MinimStreamer is there too.

I shall ask on the Minim forum later when I get a moment. Thanks for the reply.

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2015-02-17, 14:58 (This post was last modified: 2015-02-17 15:02 by simoncn.)
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RE: MinimStreamer support for new BBC HLS AAC streams
(2015-02-17 14:22)mickc Wrote:  Hi - yes, saved in Notepad as a straight text file, and the latest version of MinimStreamer is there too.

I shall ask on the Minim forum later when I get a moment. Thanks for the reply.

Mick

Did you forget to put #EXTM3U at the start of the file?

Edit: This can happen if you put a space before #EXTINF.
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2015-02-17, 15:03
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RE: MinimStreamer support for new BBC HLS AAC streams
Hi again

My thanks to Simon and Clanger 9 for their responses to my query.

Amending the last line to include "nonuk/sbr_low" gives a 48k connection. I can't really comment on sound quality as yet, but it works. I tried it both without the “_low” after sbr and the "non" in front of uk and neither of those variations worked. I'll experiment with all the other BBC stations through the course of the day and perhaps compare sound quality versus the mp3 alternative over the next few days as well.
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2015-02-17, 15:15 (This post was last modified: 2015-02-17 15:18 by clanger9.)
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RE: MinimStreamer support for new BBC HLS AAC streams
(2015-02-17 15:03)retraite Wrote:  Hi again

My thanks to Simon and Clanger 9 for their responses to my query.

Amending the last line to include "nonuk/sbr_low" gives a 48k connection. I can't really comment on sound quality as yet, but it works. I tried it both without the “_low” after sbr and the "non" in front of uk and neither of those variations worked. I'll experiment with all the other BBC stations through the course of the day and perhaps compare sound quality versus the mp3 alternative over the next few days as well.

Interesting. According to the radiofeeds website, the overseas URLs for Radio 3 (for example) should be:
Code:
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/nonuk/sbr_vlow/llnw/bbc_radio_three.m3u8
for 48k and
Code:
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/nonuk/sbr_low/llnw/bbc_radio_three.m3u8
for 96k.

Unfortunately the BBC seem to regard the streaming URL as some kind of Top Secret, so it's certainly possible that there's another combination out there that will give 96k...
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