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2016-09-21, 22:30 (This post was last modified: 2016-09-22 01:47 by Jeff R.)
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I'm confused.... this upgrade is not currently transferable into the exakt format. Correct? Jeff

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2016-09-21, 22:38 (This post was last modified: 2016-09-21 22:43 by Baba Yaga.)
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(2016-09-21 21:13)Aurumer Wrote:  I am also not as happy with this announcement. Last year Linn sold me an exakt upgrade for my Klimax DS as a big improvement (nevertheless it was a slight improvement) and this year it's all "old technology".

If I had ever guessed that there is another bigger improvement coming in such a short time period I would have waited with the upgrade.
So definitely no upgrade for me this time within an only 1.5 year time period. Perhaps next time in 3 or 4 years.

Relax, as I read this it addresses non-Exakt streamer. In Exakt streamers ( at least native ones like my KEDSM, not sure what it means for those upgraded or new ones with analogue outputs), there is no DAC, those are in the Exakt boxes or the Exakt speakers.
I assume that some of the new benefits are build into Exakt already (like clock management), so it is more an upgrade to get some of the improvements into the non-Exakt versions as well (similar to SO and SO+ )
Nevertheless, at some point in time new stuff will likely appear for Exakt as well, but it seems not yet...

But of course I may be wrong...
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2016-09-21, 22:38 (This post was last modified: 2016-09-21 22:41 by Briain.)
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(2016-09-21 22:30)Jeff R Wrote:  I'm confused.... this is not something that this upgrade is not currently transferable into the exakt format? Jeff

As yet, one assumes (but surely also soon, one would equally assumes)?

Bri

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2016-09-21, 23:03
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I've had a chat with my dealer this evening. I've known him for about 30 years and he's always been totally honest with me - his shop's definitely a BS free zone!!! He's a vinyl die-hard who often suggests that I should follow him down the LP12 path to audio nirvana. However, although I've agreed with him that an LP12 can outperform a KDS, Ive enjoyed owning my DS and stuck to my belief that a digital source will one day rival the performance available from vinyl. Well, it appears that day may have finally arrived Smile

He was at the dealer conference this week and said that the difference between the KDS/2 and KDS/3 was so huge, he and the other dealers laughed in amazement when they first heard it. Non of them had ever heard a similar magnitude of improvement in a digital component. They likened it to the sort of difference the Lingo and then the Radikal has made to the LP12, and totally dwarfed the improvements between KDS/0, KDS/1 and KDS/2.

I've never heard my dealer be so enthusiastic about a new product. He said that the upgrade wasn't big, it was "huge,...... absolutely huge!!!" So big, he found it hard to describe!!!

The improvements he was describing related to both the music and the sound. He found it very musical, enabling him to be totally engaged with the music, in the way he is with vinyl. He said that the sound was amazing too, and very realistic.

Needless to say, even without a price or a delivery date, I've placed my order. I can't wait!!! Smile Smile Smile

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2016-09-21, 23:15
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(2016-09-21 23:03)spannko Wrote:  I've had a chat with my dealer this evening. I've known him for about 30 years and he's always been totally honest with me - his shop's definitely a BS free zone!!! He's a vinyl die-hard who often suggests that I should follow him down the LP12 path to audio nirvana. However, although I've agreed with him that an LP12 can outperform a KDS, Ive enjoyed owning my DS and stuck to my belief that a digital source will one day rival the performance available from vinyl. Well, it appears that day may have finally arrived Smile

He was at the dealer conference this week and said that the difference between the KDS/2 and KDS/3 was so huge, he and the other dealers laughed in amazement when they first heard it. Non of them had ever heard a similar magnitude of improvement in a digital component. They likened it to the sort of difference the Lingo and then the Radikal has made to the LP12, and totally dwarfed the improvements between KDS/0, KDS/1 and KDS/2.

I've never heard my dealer be so enthusiastic about a new product. He said that the upgrade wasn't big, it was "huge,...... absolutely huge!!!" So big, he found it hard to describe!!!

The improvements he was describing related to both the music and the sound. He found it very musical, enabling him to be totally engaged with the music, in the way he is with vinyl. He said that the sound was amazing too, and very realistic.

Needless to say, even without a price or a delivery date, I've placed my order. I can't wait!!! Smile Smile Smile

LOL - good on yer! That's what I call real faith. So I assume from your choice that the dealer thinks it's a better investment than going Exakt or is there some other factor in your setup?

You must keep us closely posted on your journey - the demos and the install. Look forward to reading what you 'hear' Smile
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2016-09-21, 23:20
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Oh my, oh my, we've had our KDSM Kat delivered today - and it does not disappoint. Sadly it seems Linn are making 350 Exakt owners wait until the new year before Kat upgrades are available for their speakers - and the neither Linn nor we know how much that will be. They are also saying that it will be 'a year at least' before Kat upgrades are available for any Akurate products, either DS, DSM or Exakt. However, it's all true - the Kat Klimax DSM does sound wonderful against the current model and owners would be well advised to hot tail down to their local Linn Specialist to get a listen themselves. Take your credit card and hanky (or Kleenex if you're modern) to wipe away the tears of joy at the music or sadness at the price of something you'll want or need to own. ;)

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2016-09-22, 00:31 (This post was last modified: 2016-09-22 00:38 by Silences.)
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I am very excited by that announce and through some pictures we can already say that a big change came also from the new DAC chipset, LINN has moved from the Wolfson WM8741 (32/192 Max - 128/-110) to the fresh new flagship AKM 4497EQ with more latitude (32/768kHz - 131(Mono)/-116 and more filters). There is also a difference in DSD but is it important ;-)

It seems that they have maintained the double DAc dual differential architecture too.
Maybe there is something to expect in the volume control too, New filters, upsampling, less change in word format with the Space optimisation?...not explained.

This is a point, among others ;-), which is not mentionned on Katalyst webpage.
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2016-09-22, 00:46
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Hi Martin,

The decision to order the KDS/K wasn't based on the relative merits of the DS and Exakt, (in fact, it wasn't even mentioned) it was more based on "what toys can I buy myself for Christmas this year" lol.

The dealer dem was done with Aktive 350's, which resulted in a very musical sound. So who knows? The Katalyst could rearrange the upgrade hierarchy temporarily, until the Kat becomes available in the Exakt engines. I'm sure we'll find out more about this as time goes by.

I spoke to my dealer with the intention of ordering Exakt Akudoriks. Instead, I ordered a DS upgrade and a Melco! Thinking about it, what I really want is a fully integrated Exakt Akudorik and Exakt sub system. Since this isn't really available right now, I'm banking on one being available in the future (i.e. A system where all the drive units have been measured and can be fully compensated for). This was in the back of my mind, so the decision to "go Kat" was an easy one.

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2016-09-22, 01:50
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(2016-09-21 22:38)Briain Wrote:  
(2016-09-21 22:30)Jeff R Wrote:  I'm confused.... this is not something that this upgrade is not currently transferable into the exakt format? Jeff

As yet, one assumes (but surely also soon, one would equally assumes)?

Bri

My damn phone... I guess there is no upgrade for the Exakt version yet... Good play on words Bri and equally confusing! Jeff

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2016-09-22, 04:30
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(2016-09-22 00:46)spannko Wrote:  Hi Martin,

The decision to order the KDS/K wasn't based on the relative merits of the DS and Exakt, (in fact, it wasn't even mentioned) it was more based on "what toys can I buy myself for Christmas this year" lol.

The dealer dem was done with Aktive 350's, which resulted in a very musical sound. So who knows? The Katalyst could rearrange the upgrade hierarchy temporarily, until the Kat becomes available in the Exakt engines. I'm sure we'll find out more about this as time goes by.

I spoke to my dealer with the intention of ordering Exakt Akudoriks. Instead, I ordered a DS upgrade and a Melco! Thinking about it, what I really want is a fully integrated Exakt Akudorik and Exakt sub system. Since this isn't really available right now, I'm banking on one being available in the future (i.e. A system where all the drive units have been measured and can be fully compensated for). This was in the back of my mind, so the decision to "go Kat" was an easy one.

Good work and certainly not in nice and early. Look forward to reports from Agent Spannko as things unfold. Smile
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