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SO and Practical Position
2017-06-28, 18:40
Post: #21
RE: SO and Practical Position
(2017-06-28 17:50)billzab Wrote:  
(2017-06-27 22:32)phino Wrote:  
(2017-06-27 21:32)billzab Wrote:  
(2017-06-26 22:00)phino Wrote:  
(2017-06-26 21:24)billzab Wrote:  I haven't changed my SO since it came out and just used the calculated results based on practical position. I thought I would tweak it a bit tonight and while doing this reset it to no SO. What a shock I got. Everything sounded so much better. A bit boomy compared to using SO but so much more detailed at higher volumes. I will keep it this way fo a while I think.

Bill.

It'll be interesting to see how long you leave it. I've done the same a few times after frustrating SO tuning sessions, but I've never left it switched off for more than a few hours. With SO on, you convince yourself that it'll sound truly awful switched off, but it doesn't. After all, most of us had DSs before SO was released and we managed ok then!
A lot depends on your room layout though. I'm sure there are some rooms where it isn't required at all.
The default settings, whilst pretty good are a bit too much in most cases, so it pays to persevere.

I have had a DS since Bute and have always loved the sound. When SO appeared, I was amazed at the improvement it initially made. Interestingly, my first bunch of sizes I entered where 'close enough' to do the job. I have recently used my Hilti digital measuring tool that I use at work to enter accurate sizes and since then I am not enjoying the sound. I have also recently updated to the latest Davaar having not done so for well over a year (that's another story) and see that SO now gives a separate setting for each speaker (with some large differences in each node). I now find it a bit harsh and lacking in decent bass. I will leave it off over the summer and try SO again in the autumn when the dark nights give me more listening time.

Bill.

Sounds like you need to review all the SO info like doors, windows, wall construction etc.
I had a bit of harshness too but a bit of sage advice from Paulssurround lead me to widen the bandwidths of the modes in the 70-80hz region. Not very much, something like 0.003 more was enough. That's where the doors and windows come in - the more of these there are and the larger they are leads to wider bandwidths being calculated. Patrition walls will give you wider and shallower notches whilst concrete will give you deep and narrow. The default is 'unknown' which is somewhere in the middle. So it pays to get those right. I take the room measurements through the listening position at the height my head is at whilst listening, but it's worth trying a cm either side of each dimension to see what sounds best.

Still, if you're happy with it switched off it's probably a good idea to leave it on the back burner as you say. Once you start fiddling too much you end up looking for problems rather than listening to music.

Thanks Phino. I am pretty confident all my measurements and other info are correct. All my walls are plastered brick (concrete) and I do have 2 very large windows at each end of my room. I have a large lounge dining room 8.5 mtrs long x 4.1 wide. My speakers are either side of a chimney breast facing across the room. Speakers are toed in about 40mm off the square. I have tried playing about with the bandwidths but to no great improvement. I will try again later when I have the time. Cheers.

Bill.

(2017-06-28 00:24)Paulssurround Wrote:  
(2017-06-27 21:32)billzab Wrote:  
(2017-06-26 22:00)phino Wrote:  
(2017-06-26 21:24)billzab Wrote:  I haven't changed my SO since it came out and just used the calculated results based on practical position. I thought I would tweak it a bit tonight and while doing this reset it to no SO. What a shock I got. Everything sounded so much better. A bit boomy compared to using SO but so much more detailed at higher volumes. I will keep it this way fo a while I think.

Bill.

It'll be interesting to see how long you leave it. I've done the same a few times after frustrating SO tuning sessions, but I've never left it switched off for more than a few hours. With SO on, you convince yourself that it'll sound truly awful switched off, but it doesn't. After all, most of us had DSs before SO was released and we managed ok then!
A lot depends on your room layout though. I'm sure there are some rooms where it isn't required at all.
The default settings, whilst pretty good are a bit too much in most cases, so it pays to persevere.

I have had a DS since Bute and have always loved the sound. When SO appeared, I was amazed at the improvement it initially made. Interestingly, my first bunch of sizes I entered where 'close enough' to do the job. I have recently used my Hilti digital measuring tool that I use at work to enter accurate sizes and since then I am not enjoying the sound. I have also recently updated to the latest Davaar having not done so for well over a year (that's another story) and see that SO now gives a separate setting for each speaker (with some large differences in each node). I now find it a bit harsh and lacking in decent bass. I will leave it off over the summer and try SO again in the autumn when the dark nights give me more listening time.

Bill.

I know exactly what to do to get the best out of your Linn system.

It is a very easy adjustment, to fine tune your system and get it sounding its best. Big Grin

Pray tell Paul

You need to work through this post.

https://forums.linn.co.uk/bb/showthread.php?tid=36884

Skip to the section "Adjusting SPACE Optimization" and work through the directions.



Alternately, you and I could arrange a mutual time, to adjust your system remotely, if you have access to Skype or FaceTime on an iPhone or iPad.

Then I can support you to make directed adjustments in SPACE, while we are listening to the reference music tracks in your system. Hopefully we will come out with a better sound quality, that will make you a believer in SPACE optimization? Big Grin

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2017-06-28, 20:31
Post: #22
RE: SO and Practical Position
(2017-06-28 18:40)Paulssurround Wrote:  
(2017-06-28 17:50)billzab Wrote:  
(2017-06-27 22:32)phino Wrote:  
(2017-06-27 21:32)billzab Wrote:  
(2017-06-26 22:00)phino Wrote:  It'll be interesting to see how long you leave it. I've done the same a few times after frustrating SO tuning sessions, but I've never left it switched off for more than a few hours. With SO on, you convince yourself that it'll sound truly awful switched off, but it doesn't. After all, most of us had DSs before SO was released and we managed ok then!
A lot depends on your room layout though. I'm sure there are some rooms where it isn't required at all.
The default settings, whilst pretty good are a bit too much in most cases, so it pays to persevere.

I have had a DS since Bute and have always loved the sound. When SO appeared, I was amazed at the improvement it initially made. Interestingly, my first bunch of sizes I entered where 'close enough' to do the job. I have recently used my Hilti digital measuring tool that I use at work to enter accurate sizes and since then I am not enjoying the sound. I have also recently updated to the latest Davaar having not done so for well over a year (that's another story) and see that SO now gives a separate setting for each speaker (with some large differences in each node). I now find it a bit harsh and lacking in decent bass. I will leave it off over the summer and try SO again in the autumn when the dark nights give me more listening time.

Bill.

Sounds like you need to review all the SO info like doors, windows, wall construction etc.
I had a bit of harshness too but a bit of sage advice from Paulssurround lead me to widen the bandwidths of the modes in the 70-80hz region. Not very much, something like 0.003 more was enough. That's where the doors and windows come in - the more of these there are and the larger they are leads to wider bandwidths being calculated. Patrition walls will give you wider and shallower notches whilst concrete will give you deep and narrow. The default is 'unknown' which is somewhere in the middle. So it pays to get those right. I take the room measurements through the listening position at the height my head is at whilst listening, but it's worth trying a cm either side of each dimension to see what sounds best.

Still, if you're happy with it switched off it's probably a good idea to leave it on the back burner as you say. Once you start fiddling too much you end up looking for problems rather than listening to music.

Thanks Phino. I am pretty confident all my measurements and other info are correct. All my walls are plastered brick (concrete) and I do have 2 very large windows at each end of my room. I have a large lounge dining room 8.5 mtrs long x 4.1 wide. My speakers are either side of a chimney breast facing across the room. Speakers are toed in about 40mm off the square. I have tried playing about with the bandwidths but to no great improvement. I will try again later when I have the time. Cheers.

Bill.

(2017-06-28 00:24)Paulssurround Wrote:  
(2017-06-27 21:32)billzab Wrote:  
(2017-06-26 22:00)phino Wrote:  It'll be interesting to see how long you leave it. I've done the same a few times after frustrating SO tuning sessions, but I've never left it switched off for more than a few hours. With SO on, you convince yourself that it'll sound truly awful switched off, but it doesn't. After all, most of us had DSs before SO was released and we managed ok then!
A lot depends on your room layout though. I'm sure there are some rooms where it isn't required at all.
The default settings, whilst pretty good are a bit too much in most cases, so it pays to persevere.

I have had a DS since Bute and have always loved the sound. When SO appeared, I was amazed at the improvement it initially made. Interestingly, my first bunch of sizes I entered where 'close enough' to do the job. I have recently used my Hilti digital measuring tool that I use at work to enter accurate sizes and since then I am not enjoying the sound. I have also recently updated to the latest Davaar having not done so for well over a year (that's another story) and see that SO now gives a separate setting for each speaker (with some large differences in each node). I now find it a bit harsh and lacking in decent bass. I will leave it off over the summer and try SO again in the autumn when the dark nights give me more listening time.

Bill.

I know exactly what to do to get the best out of your Linn system.

It is a very easy adjustment, to fine tune your system and get it sounding its best. Big Grin

Pray tell Paul

You need to work through this post.

https://forums.linn.co.uk/bb/showthread.php?tid=36884

Skip to the section "Adjusting SPACE Optimization" and work through the directions.



Alternately, you and I could arrange a mutual time, to adjust your system remotely, if you have access to Skype or FaceTime on an iPhone or iPad.

Then I can support you to make directed adjustments in SPACE, while we are listening to the reference music tracks in your system. Hopefully we will come out with a better sound quality, that will make you a believer in SPACE optimization? Big Grin

Thanks Paul, very much appreciated. I will follow your instructions and let you know how I gat on. It may take me a few weeks before I will get round to it as I have a busy period at work coming up. Thanks again.

Bill.

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2017-06-28, 22:30
Post: #23
RE: SO and Practical Position
(2017-06-28 20:31)billzab Wrote:  
(2017-06-28 18:40)Paulssurround Wrote:  
(2017-06-28 17:50)billzab Wrote:  
(2017-06-27 22:32)phino Wrote:  
(2017-06-27 21:32)billzab Wrote:  I have had a DS since Bute and have always loved the sound. When SO appeared, I was amazed at the improvement it initially made. Interestingly, my first bunch of sizes I entered where 'close enough' to do the job. I have recently used my Hilti digital measuring tool that I use at work to enter accurate sizes and since then I am not enjoying the sound. I have also recently updated to the latest Davaar having not done so for well over a year (that's another story) and see that SO now gives a separate setting for each speaker (with some large differences in each node). I now find it a bit harsh and lacking in decent bass. I will leave it off over the summer and try SO again in the autumn when the dark nights give me more listening time.

Bill.

Sounds like you need to review all the SO info like doors, windows, wall construction etc.
I had a bit of harshness too but a bit of sage advice from Paulssurround lead me to widen the bandwidths of the modes in the 70-80hz region. Not very much, something like 0.003 more was enough. That's where the doors and windows come in - the more of these there are and the larger they are leads to wider bandwidths being calculated. Patrition walls will give you wider and shallower notches whilst concrete will give you deep and narrow. The default is 'unknown' which is somewhere in the middle. So it pays to get those right. I take the room measurements through the listening position at the height my head is at whilst listening, but it's worth trying a cm either side of each dimension to see what sounds best.

Still, if you're happy with it switched off it's probably a good idea to leave it on the back burner as you say. Once you start fiddling too much you end up looking for problems rather than listening to music.

Thanks Phino. I am pretty confident all my measurements and other info are correct. All my walls are plastered brick (concrete) and I do have 2 very large windows at each end of my room. I have a large lounge dining room 8.5 mtrs long x 4.1 wide. My speakers are either side of a chimney breast facing across the room. Speakers are toed in about 40mm off the square. I have tried playing about with the bandwidths but to no great improvement. I will try again later when I have the time. Cheers.

Bill.

(2017-06-28 00:24)Paulssurround Wrote:  
(2017-06-27 21:32)billzab Wrote:  I have had a DS since Bute and have always loved the sound. When SO appeared, I was amazed at the improvement it initially made. Interestingly, my first bunch of sizes I entered where 'close enough' to do the job. I have recently used my Hilti digital measuring tool that I use at work to enter accurate sizes and since then I am not enjoying the sound. I have also recently updated to the latest Davaar having not done so for well over a year (that's another story) and see that SO now gives a separate setting for each speaker (with some large differences in each node). I now find it a bit harsh and lacking in decent bass. I will leave it off over the summer and try SO again in the autumn when the dark nights give me more listening time.

Bill.

I know exactly what to do to get the best out of your Linn system.

It is a very easy adjustment, to fine tune your system and get it sounding its best. Big Grin

Pray tell Paul

You need to work through this post.

https://forums.linn.co.uk/bb/showthread.php?tid=36884

Skip to the section "Adjusting SPACE Optimization" and work through the directions.



Alternately, you and I could arrange a mutual time, to adjust your system remotely, if you have access to Skype or FaceTime on an iPhone or iPad.

Then I can support you to make directed adjustments in SPACE, while we are listening to the reference music tracks in your system. Hopefully we will come out with a better sound quality, that will make you a believer in SPACE optimization? Big Grin

Thanks Paul, very much appreciated. I will follow your instructions and let you know how I gat on. It may take me a few weeks before I will get round to it as I have a busy period at work coming up. Thanks again.

Bill.

Sounds great.

Good luck!!!

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