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LP12 Majik/Radikal vs LP12 akurate
2017-08-16, 09:08
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LP12 Majik/Radikal vs LP12 akurate
Hi everyone , I have been reading the forum with great interest after getting back into vinyl after a 20 year break, having sold my LP12/naim set in the mid 90's. I wondered if anyone has done a direct comparison between a standard LP12 majik fitted with Radikal vs current LP12 Akurate.
I plan to buy an LP12 around this price bracket (£6-£7K) as soon as funds allow and from what I have read the Radikal seems to bring something to the party way beyond any other upgrade. So I could save about £800 with the Majik/radikal and possibly get better performance.

My current system is the 2016 Rega Planar 2, latest Rega Brio and Monitor audio Bronze 2 which I am very happy with but this was always going to be just a stop gap until I can afford an LP12.

I am limited on space at home, listening room is 3.3m x 4.5m and box count needs to be as low as possible so integrated amp preferable.
I see my end goal as something like LP12, Radikal, Tramp 2, Kore, Akito, suitable cartridge, Majik 109's or similar. Not sure about amp as streaming is not something I see myself getting into and Linn seems to have gone 100% down this river. The only option that fits with my needs and budget is the Majik DSM, one box with phono stage and built in power amps. I will keep the Brio to start with which is an amazing amp for the money and the headphone option is a great introduction for late night listening.
This will not be a one hit upgrade so it will be turntable first, then speakers and amp to follow.
I suspect most people configure their own LP12 at this price point rather than buying a complete off the shelf Akurate. Obviously I will go to my local dealer when the time comes but just wondered if anyone has done any comparisons with current Akurate level LP12 as there is very limited info on the web.
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2017-08-16, 10:08
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RE: LP12 Majik/Radikal vs LP12 akurate
I usually don't answer questions about turntables as I don't have one, but -if- you're not interested in streaming at all, there are several options better than an Majik DSM.

If you buy an older Akurate or even Klimax DSM you won't get the latest streaming hardware, but the pre-amp part would be much better than the Majiks one.
With a room of your size I would recommend for a digital pre as that gives you SPACE optimalisation, but if you think that is not going to be a problem you could also buy an old and completely analogue Klimax Kontrol pre-amp.

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2017-08-16, 12:43 (This post was last modified: 2017-08-16 13:48 by Donald.)
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RE: LP12 Majik/Radikal vs LP12 akurate
No doubt some of the LP12 gurus will be along soon to offer advice and guidance on the opening LP12 Majik/Radikal vs LP12 Akurate question.

If you are looking at either of these higher end options as your entry level then it's important to note that the Majik DSM only has a built-in MM phono stage for connecting a turntable although I understand that a MC upgrade is also available - maybe something to consider?

As for your proposed upgrade path you probably know that Linn recommend a Source First approach - so turntable, then amps and then speakers - but your planned trip to your local Linn dealer will help to answer a lot of these questions

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2017-08-16, 13:15 (This post was last modified: 2017-08-16 13:19 by JDEC.)
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RE: LP12 Majik/Radikal vs LP12 akurate
Broadly speaking you're suggesting LP12/Project9cc/Radikal vs LP12/Akito 3/Lingo3.

Without doubt the Majik Radikal will give you more music.

But with a budget of £7000 you can get

LP12 - £1770
Radikal - £3000
Kore - 800
Akito - 1630
AT95E - £31

Well okay just over £7000 (£7231). And that will be better than a Akurate LP12!

Food for thought, eh?

But don't take my word for it. Get along to an Expert Linn Retailer and hear for yourself. I personally visit Cymbiosis, but there are plenty of others.

KR

J


[Edit] ooops. Forgot the baseboard. If £7231 is the absolute tops - talk to the dealer who may be able to chuck in a used baseboard. Otherwise a Solid Aluminum Baseboard is £140 or Tramp2 £170.
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2017-08-16, 13:19
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RE: LP12 Majik/Radikal vs LP12 akurate
Donald,

I think I would go Akurate LP12 to start with, but as always, try and dem them both if possible.

You had Naim before. If you still like the Naim sound there are bargains to be had second hand. Buy a pre/power from a dealer for a limited warranty and add a Stageline or similar phono stage of your choosing. The trick here will be finding a dealer that still sells both brands. Good luck.

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2017-08-16, 14:23
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RE: LP12 Majik/Radikal vs LP12 akurate
(2017-08-16 09:08)Dazza Wrote:  Hi everyone , I have been reading the forum with great interest after getting back into vinyl after a 20 year break, having sold my LP12/naim set in the mid 90's. I wondered if anyone has done a direct comparison between a standard LP12 majik fitted with Radikal vs current LP12 Akurate.
I plan to buy an LP12 around this price bracket (£6-£7K) as soon as funds allow and from what I have read the Radikal seems to bring something to the party way beyond any other upgrade. So I could save about £800 with the Majik/radikal and possibly get better performance.

My current system is the 2016 Rega Planar 2, latest Rega Brio and Monitor audio Bronze 2 which I am very happy with but this was always going to be just a stop gap until I can afford an LP12.

I am limited on space at home, listening room is 3.3m x 4.5m and box count needs to be as low as possible so integrated amp preferable.
I see my end goal as something like LP12, Radikal, Tramp 2, Kore, Akito, suitable cartridge, Majik 109's or similar. Not sure about amp as streaming is not something I see myself getting into and Linn seems to have gone 100% down this river. The only option that fits with my needs and budget is the Majik DSM, one box with phono stage and built in power amps. I will keep the Brio to start with which is an amazing amp for the money and the headphone option is a great introduction for late night listening.
This will not be a one hit upgrade so it will be turntable first, then speakers and amp to follow.
I suspect most people configure their own LP12 at this price point rather than buying a complete off the shelf Akurate. Obviously I will go to my local dealer when the time comes but just wondered if anyone has done any comparisons with current Akurate level LP12 as there is very limited info on the web.

Hi

A friend of mine in Belgium is an ex-Linn retailer who had a showroom in Brussels. He contacted me about 5 years ago as he wanted to buy a new turntable and amplifier. Because he "knows which way is up" and is passionate about music rather than Hi-Fi he was already sure of his path from previous experience with Linn and stated his intention to see if I agreed.

He has a pair of walnut Keilidh's and wanted a walnut Majik LP12 upgraded with Radikal and the now discontinued late type Linn Majik integrated amplifier. He was delighted with the musical result and after a couple of enjoyable years has since upgraded to Keel and Ekos SE still keeping the Adikt. If he goes for a Krystal we can fit a Linn MM/MC inside the Majik amp.

He is not alone as we have a number of clients before and since who have taken the Majik LP12 with Radikal route. This combination offers a better long term upgrade path as the chassis, arm and cartridge can be upgraded when desired and there is no need to trade the Lingo against a Radikal later. We have also sold the Akurate LP12 on a number of occasions with Radikal and Urika rather than Lingo and again in our view it's a better long term path when a Keel and Ekos SE come into play later.

As you say the Brio is a fine amplifier with a great phono-stage and will last the course of upgrades until a MC cartridge like Krystal comes into play, and it's amazing what an Adikt can do if allowed to show it's mettle having upgraded the rest of the turntable.

When the time comes choose your dealer carefully on their real rather than claimed reputation with LP12's . If possible a local dealer to you will sustain better long term support in my opinion. There are some great dealers who don't post here who really know their stuff and actually care.

However there are a couple I know who have posted here who's work I have later rectified showing themselves to be unworthy, lacking the focus, expertise and tenacity to set up an LP12 correctly and consistently. Even worse and very alarming is a serious situation brought to our attention regarding a custom installer with a Linn account who thought a new Akurate LP12 just supplied direct to them from the factory could be simply un-boxed and plugged in like something from Argos!. That story is perhaps for later or maybe never once I have been given an explanation from Linn of how on earth this happened.

Regards.

Colin Macey. WYSAH Beaconsfield.

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2017-08-16, 15:04
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RE: LP12 Majik/Radikal vs LP12 akurate
What You See and Hear ...However there are a couple I know who have posted here who's work I have later rectified showing themselves to be unworthy, lacking the focus, expertise and tenacity to set up an LP12 correctly and consistently. [b' Wrote:  Even worse and very alarming is a serious situation brought to our attention regarding a custom installer with a Linn account who thought a new Akurate LP12 just supplied direct to them from the factory could be simply un-boxed and plugged in like something from Argos!. That story is perhaps for later or maybe never once I have been given an explanation from Linn of how on earth this happened.
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Regards.


That's certainly a bit scary !.

I've been out of the trade for years but my understanding has been that Linn LP12 trained dealers are now appointed on a specialist basis and the LP12 is not supplied to non LP12 trained dealers .

An I wrong about that Colin ?
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2017-08-16, 15:41
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RE: LP12 Majik/Radikal vs LP12 akurate
C'mon guys let's get back on track - I'm particularly interested in my future LP12 upgrade paths wheres the OP wants advice on the two options he has mentioned. Smile

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2017-08-16, 22:38
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RE: LP12 Majik/Radikal vs LP12 akurate
(2017-08-16 15:41)Donald Wrote:  C'mon guys let's get back on track - I'm particularly interested in my future LP12 upgrade paths wheres the OP wants advice on the two options he has mentioned. Smile

Please note that there are eight posts on this thread (before this one). One is from the OP, two are from you and three give direct opinions on the original question. I would say overall that is about as on track as you are likely to get.

In answer to the question I agree with both Colin, who wrote a very good and useful reply and also JDEC who also wrote a great reply.

There is no question that musically the Majik LP12 with Radikal (and hence standard aluminum subchassis, ProJect arm and Adikt) is more musically engaging and tuneful than the Akurate LP12 (with Lingo 3, Kore, Akito 3 and Krystal). It is also quite true that stretching a little over budget for the Kore and Akito 3 would also give a very worthwhile boost in musical perfromance. Or even just the Kore, which will accommodate the ProJect arm just fine. Any of these three configurations would be a fine ending point if that is as far as you want to take the LP12 and would also be a great platform for future upgrading if so desired.

You won't believe how good the Brio and your speakers sound when fronted by any of these three. Personally, I don't see any value in upgrading to MC until you have taken the rest of the LP12 as far as you can (yes, this means Keel and Ekos SE/1, which will make the Adikt really sing).

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2017-08-17, 00:03
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RE: LP12 Majik/Radikal vs LP12 akurate
Well thank you all for your very informative reply's which has cemented my thoughts that majik/radikal is perhaps the better starting point. The majik seems good value for money (relatively speaking of course) and I like the idea that 9cc uses the same armboard mounting so when I upgrade to a kore I would not need to change it if I then upgrade the arm to akito or ekos.

Fortunately I am based in Leicester and Cymbiosis is only about 10 miles from where I live, so when I have enough funds that's where I will be going. In the meantime I shall continue enjoying my current system and reading more of your posts on the forum, keep up the good work guys.
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