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2017-09-25, 17:33
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Space Optimisation
Why is Bose not included in the list of the Speaker manufacturers ?
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2017-09-25, 22:05 (This post was last modified: 2017-09-25 22:11 by BB1.)
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Please don’t take it personally, but to me Bose is an acronym for 'buy other sound equipment'. Even the best SO in the world would not be able to compensate all of the things Bose speakers do wrong. Most likely the only thing SO could do, is to equalize the boominess out of a speaker that was designed to be boomy.

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2017-09-26, 02:14
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RE: Space Optimisation
BB1,

What does SO stand for ?

Bose has been around for more than 50 years; cannot be that bad. Linn is 20 years short. Out of the subject, what is for you the best Brand for mini-speakers (Bose like-size speakers) ?

Couldn't the reason for Bose not to be included in the list of the Speaker manufacturers rather be that the Bose ADAPTiQ audio calibration may conflict with the Linn Space optimisation ?
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2017-09-26, 11:31
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(2017-09-26 02:14)Pat - Sekrit DSM Wrote:  BB1,

What does SO stand for ?

Bose has been around for more than 50 years; cannot be that bad. Linn is 20 years short. Out of the subject, what is for you the best Brand for mini-speakers (Bose like-size speakers) ?

Couldn't the reason for Bose not to be included in the list of the Speaker manufacturers rather be that the Bose ADAPTiQ audio calibration may conflict with the Linn Space optimisation ?

SO = Space Optimization
Sorry Pat, but Bose was founded in 1964 and Linn in 1973, so only 9 years difference, not 20.
You'll have to be more specific, what you mean by "Bose-size". If you mean the 301's, there's no problem finding a similar-sized speaker in Linn's range, Majik 109 for instance.

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2017-09-26, 12:06
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RE: Space Optimisation
9 years difference only, you right, my bad ! Both have been around for more than 40 years; cannot be that bad ! ;-)

I was referring to OmniJewel speakers or Virtually Invisible® Series II speakers.

Don't you think that the reason for Bose not to be included in the list of the Speaker manufacturers is that the Bose ADAPTiQ audio calibration may conflict with the Linn Space optimisation ?

It'd be nice if some Linn staff could also step in.
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2017-09-26, 13:29
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RE: Space Optimisation
If the speakers are missing you can model them as point sources. Works well. /HB
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2017-09-26, 14:19
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(2017-09-26 12:06)Pat - Sekrit DSM Wrote:  9 years difference only, you right, my bad ! Both have been around for more than 40 years; cannot be that bad ! ;-)

I was referring to OmniJewel speakers or Virtually Invisible® Series II speakers.

Don't you think that the reason for Bose not to be included in the list of the Speaker manufacturers is that the Bose ADAPTiQ audio calibration may conflict with the Linn Space optimisation ?

It'd be nice if some Linn staff could also step in.

It may be. The same would be true for Dutch&Dutch.
I don't know enough about Bose to answer, but they are not the only brand that aren't measured for space, and there may be many reasons. I don;t think Bose are likely speakers in a Linn system (although Sekrit-type installations may be an exception).

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2017-09-26, 14:28
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RE: Space Optimisation
(2017-09-26 13:29)HansBertil Wrote:  If the speakers are missing you can model them as point sources. Works well. /HB

Umm, not sure point source would apply for generic/unknown speakers. You'd get the room corrections and maybe very approximate speaker optimisations based on assumptions.

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2017-09-26, 14:36
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RE: Space Optimisation
This is more of a question than a statement. I'm not sure that Bose market unpowered speakers any more. Does the Linn list of speakers measured for SO include any powered speakers other than Linn's own?

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2017-09-26, 20:29
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RE: Space Optimisation
(2017-09-26 14:28)timster Wrote:  
(2017-09-26 13:29)HansBertil Wrote:  If the speakers are missing you can model them as point sources. Works well. /HB

Umm, not sure point source would apply for generic/unknown speakers. You'd get the room corrections and maybe very approximate speaker optimisations based on assumptions.

Hmm, if the point source does not apply on generic/unknown speakers when should it then be used? Space Optimsation provides room correction based on position of the bass sources and ports in the room. To my knowledge no other speaker oprimisation is involved in SO. I think problem arises if you use a point source model on a speaker with multiple woofers and/or ports placed on the cabinet rear. On the other hand it is recommended to fine-tune the proposed response by ear. If this is properly done the point source model should work on any speaker.
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