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Skidding Ekos Lift/lower device.
2017-10-02, 15:24 (This post was last modified: 2017-10-02 15:27 by dreadatthecontrols.)
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Skidding Ekos Lift/lower device.
I have an earlier model Ekos and have an issue with the lift lower that I cant seem to resolve.
When gently moving the lever forward and then allowing it to fall under its own weight, the stylus often skids across the run in groove into the start of the first track. It works fine if cueing into a track further on the record. It has done this for years no matter how many times I complained to my dealer about it, so I stopped using it and lower the arm by hand.
I've looked on these forums but cant see any mention of this problem, does anyone know what causes this and how to fix it?
Cartridge is Dynavector 17D3, but the problem has occurred with other cartridges I have used including Linn
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2017-10-02, 15:47
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RE: Skidding Ekos Lift/lower device.
I think the issue will be the anti skate.

We altered the mechanism on the later Ekos SE's to actually increase the anti skate, because we found that the value was not high enough. If you have a Linn cartridge the anti skate is recommended as a starting value to be similar to the tracking weight (1.75g)

I would try it around 2 - 2.1g and see if it sounds better, tune it to sound the best it can using Tunedem, and then go back to see if you still have the problem with the lead in groove.

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David
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2017-10-02, 15:50
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RE: Skidding Ekos Lift/lower device.
Is the lift platform bent or out of position if you look down on it? (Compare against photos on Google) It’s only held at one point/screw and that can come loose or allow the platform to swivel out of position.

Photos would be handy.

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2017-10-02, 16:16
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RE: Skidding Ekos Lift/lower device.
Thanks guys, I dont think its either of the things you mention.
The cartridge is a Dynavector 17D3, I have experimented with different anti skate settings as a matter of course but no matter the setting the issue persists. The Dynavector tracks at 2g and to my ears sounds best with anti skate set to corresponding 2.
The lift lower seems otherwise mechanically sound without any bending of the platform.
It is strange as sometimes it lowers ok, but more often skids as described
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2017-10-02, 16:23
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RE: Skidding Ekos Lift/lower device.
Sorry, I'm new to the forum, how do I upload a photo?
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2017-10-02, 16:27 (This post was last modified: 2017-10-02 16:28 by JimK.)
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RE: Skidding Ekos Lift/lower device.
Mine sometimes does the same as what you describe too dreadatthecontrols, I have an older ekos but my cartridge is a Dynavector XX2.
I decided it's down to the very slow lowering rate when allowing it to fall under its own rate using the lever.
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2017-10-02, 16:38
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RE: Skidding Ekos Lift/lower device.
(2017-10-02 16:27)JimK Wrote:  Mine sometimes does the same as what you describe too dreadatthecontrols, I have an older ekos but my cartridge is a Dynavector XX2.
I decided it's down to the very slow lowering rate when allowing it to fall under its own rate using the lever.

I thought maybe it was peculiar to the Dynavector, but I seem to recall it happening with a Linn Klyde. Its concerning because my last Dynavector met an untimely end when it suffered a bent cantilever, I wasent sure how it happened but Pear Audio thought it had " had a bash" I suspect it was down to the temperamental lift/lower, so I now lower the arm by hand on to the run in groove. Its strange because it will lower fine if cuing into a track, but not the run in groove
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2017-10-02, 16:57
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RE: Skidding Ekos Lift/lower device.
(2017-10-02 16:38)dreadatthecontrols Wrote:  [quote='JimK' pid='452514' dateline='1506958028']
Mine sometimes does the same as what you describe too dreadatthecontrols, I have an older ekos but my cartridge is a Dynavector XX2.
I decided it's down to the very slow lowering rate when allowing it to fall under its own rate using the lever.

I thought maybe it was peculiar to the Dynavector, but I seem to recall it happening with a Linn Klyde. Its concerning because my last Dynavector met an untimely end when it suffered a bent cantilever, I wasent sure how it happened but Pear Audio thought it had " had a bash" I suspect it was down to the temperamental lift/lower, so I now lower the arm by hand on to the run in groove. Its strange because it will lower fine if cuing into a track, but not the run in groove
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Very much a long shot but could it be there is a very slight notch in the bearing right at the edge of the disc?

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2017-10-02, 17:23
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RE: Skidding Ekos Lift/lower device.
If it lowers fine on the inner tracks it could be that you are dropping it too close to the outer edge where the LP isn't yet flat and the needle is just sliding down the slope till it catches the grooves.

Gary

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2017-10-02, 18:12
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RE: Skidding Ekos Lift/lower device.
(2017-10-02 17:23)bettermusic Wrote:  If it lowers fine on the inner tracks it could be that you are dropping it too close to the outer edge where the LP isn't yet flat and the needle is just sliding down the slope till it catches the grooves.

Yep, this would be my guess too. Lowering the cartridge closer to the first groove with music I think will solve the problem that doesn't really exist. Personally I have always cued by hand and have never damaged anything doing so. Just used to that way.

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