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So how bad is it?
2018-04-17, 00:52
Post: #41
RE: So how bad is it?
Have you checked the grub screw where the Ekos is mounted to the Keel..??

Is it loose..??
Has the arm dropped by any chance..??
Tase.

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2018-04-17, 08:14
Post: #42
RE: So how bad is it?
This is definitely too low.

Assuming that the arm tracking weight is OK and the arm height is OK (running perfectly level with the record) it seems that the suspension may have failed. Try running it at 1.75gm and see how that looks.
I personally would not try to fix a Kandid and I assume most other Linn dealers will not try to adjust one either.

I would return it to Linn for a full check over.

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2018-04-17, 11:12 (This post was last modified: 2018-04-17 11:13 by smokestack.)
Post: #43
RE: So how bad is it?
I don't get all this talk of "fixing a cartridge" . Wink
Only the maker [or arguably an after market specialist engineer] could do that
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2018-04-18, 09:45
Post: #44
RE: So how bad is it?
I have been following this thread, hope antnick (OP) finds out what the problem is and fixes it. I would really like to know how this issue gets resolve SadSad
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2018-04-18, 10:18
Post: #45
RE: So how bad is it?
Hi, antnick has now said that after resetting the weight to 1.76 his cartridge has daylight underneath it.
I have looked on the net and as far as I can see the recommended tracking is 1.75.

So I would suggest the sagging at 1.82 is due to too much weight.

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2018-04-18, 12:23 (This post was last modified: 2018-04-19 08:20 by smokestack.)
Post: #46
RE: So how bad is it?
With a cartridge in good order you wouldn't visually notice a great deal of difference in deflection & record clearance between 1.75 & 8.2 gms.

It could of course have been inadvertently set at much too high a weight before antnick identified the issue.

We'd need a good photo to say whether we have a normal & healthy amount of "daylight" .

[Edited to thank Thomas for pointing out that you would likely see a difference in deflection between 1.75 & 8.2 gms !...

....should of course read 1.75 to 1.82 Big Grin ]
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2018-04-18, 20:02
Post: #47
RE: So how bad is it?
The question is : did you have a wrong manipulation with the arm or cartridge during use ?

If it's not the case, and I say clearly "if it's not the case", why is your Kandid a "low rider" ?

Regarding others Krystal's issues, are there any problems with Linn's cartridges reliability ?

I have my Dynavector since more than 3 years now, and notice absolutely no problem at all.

I am sure most of Linn cartridges' owners are very happy with absolutely no issue at all...

But those issues can honestly make us ask this question about reliability...

I notice also that Linn doesn't have any reaction about the post about Kristal cartridges issues... Just one official retailer post on the thread (if I remember )...

Well no problem at all, I love the sound of Kandid , and particularly Kristal cartridges, but there could be a question about there reliability ...

It just could be a good thing that Linn explains his point of view about those issues ...

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2018-04-21, 03:36 (This post was last modified: 2018-04-21 03:39 by antnick.)
Post: #48
RE: So how bad is it?
Ok, so first of all, thank you everyone for your comments, suggestions and genuine concern. With the tracking weight set to zero, I was able to get the arm to float dead level. Now the dial is set to 1.5 and on my scale it’s 1.75. I checked the grub screw.. nothing loose. Here are some pics I just took after doing what I just mentioned.

Here is another pic.. not really sure what to do from here


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2018-04-24, 18:06
Post: #49
RE: So how bad is it?
It's hard to tell from that angle but it looks like it is higher now so the tracking might have been set too high.

One suggestion that should improve your musical quality. Set the tracking force dial to 1.75 and then use the scale to adjust the counterweight to the same reading. Paolo Nobile, Fredrik Lejonklou and I have found that the musical quality is often more reliant on the proper setting of the tracking force dial (1.75 on most Linn cartridges, 1.70 on Adikt) than it is by the actual tracking force, which on Ekos arms is often higher than indicated.

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Yesterday, 12:59 (This post was last modified: Yesterday 15:50 by smokestack.)
Post: #50
RE: So how bad is it?
These issues of inaccurate tracking force & bias calibration have sure caused folks a lot of confusion down the years.

Those of us who have always trusted our ears rather than the dials will have encountered fewer problems I suppose.

I first started to think about this stuff many many years ago, when Naim launched the ARO.

Those as old as I will recall Naim recommending that we track our Troikas at ...shock, horror, 2 gms !
...rather than the 1.6 to 1.7 which we typically used in the Ittok/ early Ekos.

On being prompted to check, it became evident that when using the little Ortofon scales provide with the ARO, an Ekos would often be tracking at about 1.9 when set to 1.7.

It also tells us that the Ekos bias dials may not be as badly calibrated as we thought... if adjusted in line with the real tracking force Wink
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