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Standard Power Cables vs. High End Cables
2009-10-19, 02:53
Post: #11
RE: Standard Power Cables vs. High End Cables
(2009-10-19 00:56)daveredman Wrote:  
(2009-10-16 08:07)ChrisJ123 Wrote:  Use your spare, trick power cables with your kettle. The tea will taste much better!

Chris

Question...Why do they shield cable, if all cable was to act the same.....?

So Chris tell us what system you have and how its connected, via chocolate wrappers, spoons, keys....surely you have cable that is "just cable" ....I am interested to know!!!
Oh my, did I write this post or did you Big Grin

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2009-10-19, 10:26
Post: #12
RE: Standard Power Cables vs. High End Cables
(2009-10-19 00:56)daveredman Wrote:  
(2009-10-16 08:07)ChrisJ123 Wrote:  Use your spare, trick power cables with your kettle. The tea will taste much better!

Chris

Question...Why do they shield cable, if all cable was to act the same.....?

So Chris tell us what system you have and how its connected, via chocolate wrappers, spoons, keys....surely you have cable that is "just cable" ....I am interested to know!!!

LP12/Ittok/Troika, Akurate DS, Kairn, 3 x Klout, Aktiv, Isobarik PMS. Most interconnects are Linn Black (what came with the kit in other words), failing that, generic RCA phono to phono. Speaker cable is QED 79 strand.

In other words, if the cable is well constructed and does not have artificiaally adjusted LCR, I will use it.

Regards,

Chris
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2009-10-29, 20:27 (This post was last modified: 2009-10-29 20:32 by DaveR.)
Post: #13
RE: Standard Power Cables vs. High End Cables
(2009-10-19 10:26)ChrisJ123 Wrote:  
(2009-10-19 00:56)daveredman Wrote:  
(2009-10-16 08:07)ChrisJ123 Wrote:  Use your spare, trick power cables with your kettle. The tea will taste much better!

Chris

Question...Why do they shield cable, if all cable was to act the same.....?

So Chris tell us what system you have and how its connected, via chocolate wrappers, spoons, keys....surely you have cable that is "just cable" ....I am interested to know!!!

LP12/Ittok/Troika, Akurate DS, Kairn, 3 x Klout, Aktiv, Isobarik PMS. Most interconnects are Linn Black (what came with the kit in other words), failing that, generic RCA phono to phono. Speaker cable is QED 79 strand.

In other words, if the cable is well constructed and does not have artificiaally adjusted LCR, I will use it.

Regards,

Chris

Interesting, you use "most" Linn Blacks, so you use different cable for other parts......Why use QED cable for speakers? I think some of the components "Kairn" though very good, would help a system show its true potential with a better pre....But thats just my opinion of owning both.

Dave
(2009-10-19 02:53)SeeDee12 Wrote:  
(2009-10-19 00:56)daveredman Wrote:  
(2009-10-16 08:07)ChrisJ123 Wrote:  Use your spare, trick power cables with your kettle. The tea will taste much better!

Chris

Question...Why do they shield cable, if all cable was to act the same.....?

So Chris tell us what system you have and how its connected, via chocolate wrappers, spoons, keys....surely you have cable that is "just cable" ....I am interested to know!!!
Oh my, did I write this post or did you Big Grin

Ummm, 2 minds.....I hope that whatever I have learned in the 20 years of owning hifi, that all of it isnt a "trick", and my ears actually work...

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2009-10-30, 09:24
Post: #14
RE: Standard Power Cables vs. High End Cables
(2009-10-29 20:27)daveredman Wrote:  
(2009-10-19 10:26)ChrisJ123 Wrote:  
(2009-10-19 00:56)daveredman Wrote:  
(2009-10-16 08:07)ChrisJ123 Wrote:  Use your spare, trick power cables with your kettle. The tea will taste much better!

Chris

Question...Why do they shield cable, if all cable was to act the same.....?

So Chris tell us what system you have and how its connected, via chocolate wrappers, spoons, keys....surely you have cable that is "just cable" ....I am interested to know!!!

LP12/Ittok/Troika, Akurate DS, Kairn, 3 x Klout, Aktiv, Isobarik PMS. Most interconnects are Linn Black (what came with the kit in other words), failing that, generic RCA phono to phono. Speaker cable is QED 79 strand.

In other words, if the cable is well constructed and does not have artificiaally adjusted LCR, I will use it.

Regards,

Chris

Interesting, you use "most" Linn Blacks, so you use different cable for other parts......Why use QED cable for speakers? I think some of the components "Kairn" though very good, would help a system show its true potential with a better pre....But thats just my opinion of owning both.

Dave
(2009-10-19 02:53)SeeDee12 Wrote:  
(2009-10-19 00:56)daveredman Wrote:  
(2009-10-16 08:07)ChrisJ123 Wrote:  Use your spare, trick power cables with your kettle. The tea will taste much better!

Chris

Question...Why do they shield cable, if all cable was to act the same.....?

So Chris tell us what system you have and how its connected, via chocolate wrappers, spoons, keys....surely you have cable that is "just cable" ....I am interested to know!!!
Oh my, did I write this post or did you Big Grin

Ummm, 2 minds.....I hope that whatever I have learned in the 20 years of owning hifi, that all of it isnt a "trick", and my ears actually work...

Of course your ears work. But like all of us, our ears are just part of the story. How our brains process the information the ears send it is a big part of how we percieve sound. If we expect something to make a difference, our brains oblige us and produce a difference. That's why, when knowledge of what cable is in use is denied us, we cannot differentiate between cables (always assuming that the cable hasn't had it's LCR properties drastically amended to either reduce level or act as a filter.)

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2009-10-30, 09:58
Post: #15
RE: Standard Power Cables vs. High End Cables
(2009-10-16 08:07)ChrisJ123 Wrote:  Use your spare, trick power cables with your kettle. The tea will taste much better!

Chris

I have a similar experience. When I used to occasionally subscribe to Sky Sports, I found that even my team (Sunderland Wink) got better results when using the trick cables to connect the Sky box. And the crowd's singing sounded much better ....

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2009-10-30, 10:23
Post: #16
RE: Standard Power Cables vs. High End Cables
Everyone always seems to get very self rightous on the subject of cables and says "let your ears be the judge" but really means to say I'm right and don't dare disagree that cables don't make a difference.

I upgraded my mains cables and they made a major improvement in sound quality, especially plugged into my Ikemi. My wife (who is no fan of me spending money for no reason) was also convinced. So I agree to let people make their own minds up, but then don't qualify it by taking the mickey out of them if they don't come up with the same answer as you.

Now mains conditioning blocks are a different matter and I did find that these had a negative affect on the sound.
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2009-10-30, 12:29
Post: #17
RE: Standard Power Cables vs. High End Cables
I think what most people seem to forget is that no two power supplies are the same. Power entering a house is never stable but more importantly, RF is different in each location and fluctuates throughout the day. If you suffer from high RF around your power supply then a cable that helps to eliminate it will make a difference, if you don't then the cable will appear to be a waste of money. Just because it doesn't work for you, doesn't mean it won't work for someone else.

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One man's meat.....
etc.

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2009-10-30, 13:34
Post: #18
RE: Standard Power Cables vs. High End Cables
Joking aside, one thing I have found is that replacing a cheapo four-way mains block for one purchased from Russ Andrews (UK hi-fi accessory supplier) gave a noticeable improvement, with both Linn and other equipment.

The marketing for such devices would have us believe that having cabling and extension blocks with lower impedance (with, for example, larger gauge cable) makes it easier to draw current. Whether this really is the case when used with a typical ring mains supply (with non-specialist wiring), I have no idea but, as I say, it does seem to give an audible improvement - which is obviously what matters.

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2009-11-01, 02:17
Post: #19
RE: Standard Power Cables vs. High End Cables
(2009-10-30 13:34)Vereina Wrote:  Joking aside, one thing I have found is that replacing a cheapo four-way mains block for one purchased from Russ Andrews (UK hi-fi accessory supplier) gave a noticeable improvement, with both Linn and other equipment.
Interestingly, I've seen several threads where completely the opposite claim was - that the cheaper the mains block, the better the sound...

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2009-11-01, 19:11
Post: #20
RE: Standard Power Cables vs. High End Cables
If anyone would like to hear the difference of a better power cable compared to a stock Linn power cable please feel free to contact me. The differences are astounding.

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