Major change in the music industry

[hcl]

(2011-02-23 17:33)Pollensa1946 Wrote:  Good hi-fi (as compared to what most people buy) has been around for 60 years. British pioneers that spring to mind are Leak, Quad, Wharefedale, Sugden, SME and others. Later joined by Linn in the 70's.

i think most hifi is pathetic and it is not until recently anything, close to affordable, have come close to being able to reproduce music in away actually resembling a live performance. Ok, before there where a bulky kind of tape machines, but the lack of music availble for them made them no alternative to playing LP:s. The difference between listening to recorded music and attending a live performance are often quite staggering.

[Pollensa1946]

(2011-02-23 21:08)hcl Wrote:  

(2011-02-23 17:33)Pollensa1946 Wrote:  Good hi-fi (as compared to what most people buy) has been around for 60 years. British pioneers that spring to mind are Leak, Quad, Wharefedale, Sugden, SME and others. Later joined by Linn in the 70's.

i think most hifi is pathetic and it is not until recently anything, close to affordable, have come close to being able to reproduce music in away actually resembling a live performance. Ok, before there where a bulky kind of tape machines, but the lack of music availble for them made them no alternative to playing LP:s. The difference between listening to recorded music and attending a live performance are often quite staggering.

You are talking absolute rubbish. Have you any actual experience over the last 50 years to justify your facile opinions.

[Warren]

(2011-02-23 15:33)ChrisJ123 Wrote:  If it's in the digital domain, it will be copied & distributed. Fact.

If it's in the digital domain, without copyright protection, it is will be less copied & distributed.

Also, China is on the rise, and historically they have been very good at ignoring the fact software (at least) is copyrighted.

The music industry appears to be in decline.

Will it die?

I think no.

People like or love music.

There will always be the desire to play or hear music. I don't see any reason why this won't be live and recorded. If the many hundred year tradition of professional musicians is to continue, people will pay at some point. And music lovers always have.

For me there seems there are two music industries, classical and pop. The former has been around for centuries, and recently had an additional facet of recording sales. Recorded music is the new kid on the block. Pop has also been around a while as an industry, sheet music sales to play on the piano and other instruments at home.

I keep coming back to the thought that, what we are going through, is just a major correction. This being due to reading few years ago Strauss and Howe's book The Fourth Turning, about a ˜80 year cycle in human culture of four ˜20 year seasons of expansion/contraction and that many countries in the world are currently in or are entering Winter.

However, Winter is always followed by Spring. Live professional classical music has survived several cycles. At best recorded music has only survived one so far. However, it, and live music, did survive the last Winter of the various great depressions and recessions whether stock market crash or world war instigated.

[PeterCee]

Once the vast majority of people believe that there is no need to pay for their music, then it is hard to see how the music industry can survive in it's current format.

One person buys a copy of an expensively recorded CD and many millions of persons then download it for free.

Once that attitude prevails with the consumer - then I personally cannot see how it will ever be possible to charge the consumer for music ever again.

Looks to me like the war will very shortly be lost - many say it's already over.

[ChrisJ123]

(2011-02-24 11:01)PeterCee Wrote:  Once the vast majority of people believe that there is no need to pay for their music, then it is hard to see how the music industry can survive in it's current format.

One person buys a copy of an expensively recorded CD and many millions of persons then download it for free.

Once that attitude prevails with the consumer - then I personally cannot see how it will ever be possible to charge the consumer for music ever again.

Looks to me like the war will very shortly be lost - many say it's already over.

The war was over 5 years ago. The current activities of the music industry are the equivalent of the japanese soldiers fighting on on some pacific island years after the end of WW2.

Chris

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(2011-02-23 23:13)Pollensa1946 Wrote:  

(2011-02-23 21:08)hcl Wrote:  

(2011-02-23 17:33)Pollensa1946 Wrote:  Good hi-fi (as compared to what most people buy) has been around for 60 years. British pioneers that spring to mind are Leak, Quad, Wharefedale, Sugden, SME and others. Later joined by Linn in the 70's.

i think most hifi is pathetic and it is not until recently anything, close to affordable, have come close to being able to reproduce music in away actually resembling a live performance. Ok, before there where a bulky kind of tape machines, but the lack of music availble for them made them no alternative to playing LP:s. The difference between listening to recorded music and attending a live performance are often quite staggering.

You are talking absolute rubbish. Have you any actual experience over the last 50 years to justify your facile opinions.

No, Polensa, he is not talking rubbish. Any hi-fi is just a malnourished facsimile of the real thing. The real thing being a live performance.

And I have had what is classed as decent-to-high end systems since the late '70s.

Hi-fi to "live" is as methodone to heroin. A poor substitute.

Chris

Chris

[Warren]

(2011-02-24 11:01)PeterCee Wrote:  I personally cannot see how it will ever be possible to charge the consumer for music ever again.

The (pop) music industry collapses. There is no more new music recorded. People still want new music. They have to pay for it to get it.

I loved the story a few years ago of when British rock band Marillion got turned down by their record company when they wanted to record another album. So they turned to their fan to fund the recording. And the album got made.

[manicm]

(2011-02-24 11:05)ChrisJ123 Wrote:  

(2011-02-24 11:01)PeterCee Wrote:  Once the vast majority of people believe that there is no need to pay for their music, then it is hard to see how the music industry can survive in it's current format.

One person buys a copy of an expensively recorded CD and many millions of persons then download it for free.

Once that attitude prevails with the consumer - then I personally cannot see how it will ever be possible to charge the consumer for music ever again.

Looks to me like the war will very shortly be lost - many say it's already over.

The war was over 5 years ago. The current activities of the music industry are the equivalent of the japanese soldiers fighting on on some pacific island years after the end of WW2.

Chris

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(2011-02-23 23:13)Pollensa1946 Wrote:  

(2011-02-23 21:08)hcl Wrote:  

(2011-02-23 17:33)Pollensa1946 Wrote:  Good hi-fi (as compared to what most people buy) has been around for 60 years. British pioneers that spring to mind are Leak, Quad, Wharefedale, Sugden, SME and others. Later joined by Linn in the 70's.

i think most hifi is pathetic and it is not until recently anything, close to affordable, have come close to being able to reproduce music in away actually resembling a live performance. Ok, before there where a bulky kind of tape machines, but the lack of music availble for them made them no alternative to playing LP:s. The difference between listening to recorded music and attending a live performance are often quite staggering.

You are talking absolute rubbish. Have you any actual experience over the last 50 years to justify your facile opinions.

No, Polensa, he is not talking rubbish. Any hi-fi is just a malnourished facsimile of the real thing. The real thing being a live performance.

And I have had what is classed as decent-to-high end systems since the late '70s.

Hi-fi to "live" is as methodone to heroin. A poor substitute.

Chris

Chris

He's not talking complete rubbish, but he's not making complete sense either. Some zealots don't realise that not all of listen to mostly live recordings, or attend that many concerts. Our reference is the recording studio. And there is a heck of a lot of post-processing in studio recordings. And it's here that hifi can also become a true thing of beauty.

[PeterCee]

(2011-02-24 11:54)Warren Wrote:  The (pop) music industry collapses. There is no more new music recorded.

Sorry Warren - but you are actually way off beam here.

It has never been easier to produce and record pop music than it is today.

Anybody can do it in their bedroom - and many do.

At a grass roots level, there are more people producing new music than ever before - and they are all distributing it for free via sites such as Soundcloud or via their own sites and the many other similar sites.

As the pop music industry is collapsing, there is an ever greater quantity of music being produced - the only difference is, the producers cannot charge money for it.

Whilst the ever increasing quantity and variety of music available is a great thing for those who love music - for those who want reproduce their music at a high quality there is the problem that the music is mostly produced at a fairly low quality mp3 level.

Without an educated consumer who appreciates the benefits of high quality reproduction, the danger is that high quality reproduction (which requires high quality origination and high quality recording) might die out too - or remain a very small niche of it.

That is why any move to publicise the benefits of 24bit recordings - even if they are misguided and come from Apple - are to be applauded and supported by all those with an interest in Hi Fi.

[Pollensa1946]

(2011-02-24 11:05)ChrisJ123 Wrote:  No, Polensa, he is not talking rubbish. Any hi-fi is just a malnourished facsimile of the real thing. The real thing being a live performance
Chris

I should have made clear my comment was not in reference to live performances, but the inference that it's only recently that good hi-fi has arrived on the scene. Good hi-fi has been around for 60 years and that has not changed most peoples appreciation of either the hi-fi or hi-res music.

[grahamd Linn Staff]

(2011-02-24 11:54)Warren Wrote:  So they turned to their fan to fund the recording. And the album got made.

Good job their fan was rich