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2017-01-18, 15:54
Post: #11
RE: Katalyst Majik DSM
Klimax Kat has the output transformers to distinguish it from Akurate Kat, just as the previous generation architecture did/does.

Maybe Majik is upgraded to current Akurate architecture rather than gaining Kat?

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2017-01-18, 16:30
Post: #12
RE: Katalyst Majik DSM
I doubt there's very much room inside a Majik Exaktbox-i. Probably not enough room to swing a Kat!








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2017-01-18, 18:10
Post: #13
RE: Katalyst Majik DSM
(2017-01-18 15:54)sunbeamgls Wrote:  Klimax Kat has the output transformers to distinguish it from Akurate Kat, just as the previous generation architecture did/does.

It has different circuitry around the DAC as well. Throw in a shiny case and it's amazing what you get for nearly 10k isn't it?

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2017-01-18, 18:49
Post: #14
RE: Katalyst Majik DSM
(2017-01-18 15:54)sunbeamgls Wrote:  Klimax Kat has the output transformers to distinguish it from Akurate Kat, just as the previous generation architecture did/does.

I was very interested (actually, more like surprised) to hear a difference between the ADSM and KDS when both were used to feed Klimax Exakt crossovers (okay, it wasn't huge, but at that level of system - which was worth over £100k - relatively small differences are exactly what you expect) and if I were in the market for that level of system, I'd want to have that improvement and thus I'd certainly have a KDS to feed my Klimax crossovers and half-tonne of Solo amplifiers. Back on topic and I noted that Phil mentioned the differences were down to the better clocking in the KDS, so that implies another difference - and one that I was not aware of, until that event - between Akurate levels of DS and Klimax levels of DS.

(2017-01-18 15:54)sunbeamgls Wrote:  Maybe Majik is upgraded to current Akurate architecture rather than gaining Kat?

Personally, I would have thought that in the fullness of time, the new DAC will be used in all DS products, as there are many other ways to distinguish them from each other. Based on my first comment, the clocking architecture could be one of them, but there's also the quality of the voltage references in the 5 power supply feeds to the DAC, then also the quality of the operational amplifiers (in the analogue stages after the DAC) as well as the on-board regulation stages feeding them. Of course, as you say, when considering the Akurate to Klimax differences there's also the transformer isolated output stage and half a tonne of difference in the case (so better immunity from the bass vibes).

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2017-01-18, 20:17
Post: #15
RE: Katalyst Majik DSM
(2017-01-18 18:10)HearNoMore Wrote:  
(2017-01-18 15:54)sunbeamgls Wrote:  Klimax Kat has the output transformers to distinguish it from Akurate Kat, just as the previous generation architecture did/does.

It has different circuitry around the DAC as well. Throw in a shiny case and it's amazing what you get for nearly 10k isn't it?

I was comparing Klimax Kat to the unannounced potential Akurate Kat. I wasn't comparing existing DAC vs Katalyst DAC.

I think Briain's points around deliberately knobbling the DAC power supplies would be a shame. Once the design work is done, the cost of the bits to supply the various stable voltages and high quality clock aren't that expensive.

Briain - are you sure that there is a better clock in the Klimax DS vs the Akurate EDSM? Or is it that there a better clock in the Katalyst Klimax DS vs the Akurate EDSM?

It would be interesting to see Majik get some form of Katalyst, but repackaging existing Akurate level would be more cost effective and maintain a clear gap.

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2017-01-20, 16:47
Post: #16
RE: Katalyst Majik DSM
(2017-01-18 20:17)sunbeamgls Wrote:  
(2017-01-18 18:10)HearNoMore Wrote:  
(2017-01-18 15:54)sunbeamgls Wrote:  Klimax Kat has the output transformers to distinguish it from Akurate Kat, just as the previous generation architecture did/does.

It has different circuitry around the DAC as well. Throw in a shiny case and it's amazing what you get for nearly 10k isn't it?

I was comparing Klimax Kat to the unannounced potential Akurate Kat. I wasn't comparing existing DAC vs Katalyst DAC.

I think Briain's points around deliberately knobbling the DAC power supplies would be a shame. Once the design work is done, the cost of the bits to supply the various stable voltages and high quality clock aren't that expensive.

Briain - are you sure that there is a better clock in the Klimax DS vs the Akurate EDSM? Or is it that there a better clock in the Katalyst Klimax DS vs the Akurate EDSM?

It would be interesting to see Majik get some form of Katalyst, but repackaging existing Akurate level would be more cost effective and maintain a clear gap.

So was I. Klimax DS3 £15,800. Current Akurate DS £4,600. Even with a price increase for Akurate Katalyst that's still around £10,000 difference. Fortunately existing Klimax owners can upgrade for much less. I do wonder how many new Katalyst Klimax DS/3s Linn are going to sell, when you can pick up an older DS/1 or even DS/0 and upgrade it for around 50% of the cost of a new one. Linn also need to be careful that any Akurate DS price increases don't get close to buying an old Klimax DS + Katalyst upgrade cost.

As for knobbling the DAC power supplies and the design work already done, that's the whole point. Linn have to do something to reduce the cost for Akurate and maintain a performance difference between Klimax and Akurate, commensurate with the cost difference and perceived value (which will of course vary by individual). They don't want to risk alienating Klimax owners by releasing something almost as good for £10,000 less! The Katalyst upgrade has actually made the difference in price seem more "reasonable", and you could argue that leaving Akurate and Majik as they are gives a clear differential between product levels. However, Linn then miss out on all the Akurate owners splashing out on upgrades.

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2017-09-11, 10:57
Post: #17
RE: Katalyst Majik DSM
In the light of Akurate Katalyst being announced, any more thoughts on when it'll hit Majik? Its come to Akurate fairly quickly. Series 5 next then Majik?
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2017-09-11, 11:15
Post: #18
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(2017-09-11 10:57)Thombo30 Wrote:  In the light of Akurate Katalyst being announced, any more thoughts on when it'll hit Majik? Its come to Akurate fairly quickly. Series 5 next then Majik?
The Akurate DSM and separate Exaktboxes don't even have Katalyst yet.
I still wouldn't recommend holding your breath.
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2017-09-11, 12:03
Post: #19
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I‘d bet on Majik Katalyst landing in

...early 2019.

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2017-09-11, 13:21
Post: #20
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(2017-09-11 12:03)mcgillroy Wrote:  I‘d bet on Majik Katalyst landing in

...early 2019.

Sounds about right to me. I reckon we'll get an announcement on Akurate DS's and Extaktboxes in December with availability early 2018 (Feb/March). Majik range to follow the same cycle 12 months later.

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