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SACD, DSD, PCM conversion
2017-08-29, 09:42
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SACD, DSD, PCM conversion
Hi, I am already have many Hybrid and normal SACDs from MFSL, Audio Fidelity, Analogue Productions and so on...
A friend can rip this discs with his PS3 and so I can get the SACD ISO files from him. I only can rip the CD Layer of the Hybrid SACDs.
So what would you mean to do, should I go for SACD ISO files and if yes which programs would I need to convert them to PCM with my Mac? I absolutely do not want to make a mistake within this conversion and want my music as original as possible.
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2017-08-29, 11:13 (This post was last modified: 2017-08-29 11:28 by dubselect.)
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(2017-08-29 09:42)erho Wrote:  So what would you mean to do, should I go for SACD ISO files and if yes which programs would I need to convert them to PCM with my Mac? I absolutely do not want to make a mistake within this conversion and want my music as original as possible.
Yes, you are right. If you want to listen to SACD ISO files, you should convert them to PCM files (in case you have a music player which does not support DSD).

There are many different DSD-PCM converters. Some of them can convert only DSF/DFF files, some can handle ISO.
Here are some of them:
AuI ConverteR 48x44 - http://samplerateconverter.com/
Weiss Saracon - http://www.weiss.ch/products/saracon
Korg AudioGate - http://www.korg.com/us/products/audio/audiogate4/
Sonore DSD2FLAC (only for Mac OSX and Linux) - http://www.sonore.us/dsd2flac.html

P. S. I compared many CD rips (made from original CDs or hybrid SACDs) and SACD(ISOs)->PCM(24/88,2) covertions. I personally can not hear any noticeable difference between these two versions.

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2017-08-29, 11:26 (This post was last modified: 2017-08-29 11:29 by Gussy.)
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Once you've extracted the DSF files (do a Google search for ISO2DSF) don't forget that minimserver will transcode dsf files to pcm on the fly....
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2017-08-29, 11:40
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(2017-08-29 11:13)dubselect Wrote:  
(2017-08-29 09:42)erho Wrote:  So what would you mean to do, should I go for SACD ISO files and if yes which programs would I need to convert them to PCM with my Mac? I absolutely do not want to make a mistake within this conversion and want my music as original as possible.
Yes, you are right. If you want to listen to SACD ISO files, you should convert them to PCM files (in case you have a music player which does not support DSD).

There are many different DSD-PCM converters. Some of them can convert only DSF/DFF files, some can handle ISO.
Here are some of them:
AuI ConverteR 48x44 - http://samplerateconverter.com/
Weiss Saracon - http://www.weiss.ch/products/saracon
Korg AudioGate - http://www.korg.com/us/products/audio/audiogate4/
Sonore DSD2FLAC (only for Mac OSX and Linux) - http://www.sonore.us/dsd2flac.html

P. S. I compared many CD rips (made from original CDs or hybrid SACDs) and SACD(ISOs)->PCM(24/88,2) covertions. I personally can not hear any noticeable difference between these two versions.

So you think in case of Hybrid SACDs it do not matter, the CD layer sounds the same as the converted HighRez PCM file? Or should I hear differences with my Majik DSM/III?

(2017-08-29 11:26)Gussy Wrote:  Once you've extracted the DSF files (do a Google search for ISO2DSF) don't forget that minimserver will transcode dsf files to pcm on the fly....

Yes I know this, but there are differences in volume, which setting should be used because read that a gain of +6db will lead to clipping?
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2017-08-29, 12:05
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(2017-08-29 11:40)erho Wrote:  
(2017-08-29 11:26)Gussy Wrote:  Once you've extracted the DSF files (do a Google search for ISO2DSF) don't forget that minimserver will transcode dsf files to pcm on the fly....

Yes I know this, but there are differences in volume, which setting should be used because read that a gain of +6db will lead to clipping?

Best to ask this on the Minimserver Forum. Simon is usually very helpful and replies quick.

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2017-08-29, 12:18
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Simon already answered me offline conversion is better than on-the-fly.
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2017-08-29, 12:25 (This post was last modified: 2017-08-29 12:27 by dubselect.)
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(2017-08-29 11:40)erho Wrote:  So you think in case of Hybrid SACDs it do not matter, the CD layer sounds the same as the converted HighRez PCM file? Or should I hear differences with my Majik DSM/III?
I am afraid I can not really answer this question. I can only speak for my ears and my system.

I can add that when I had Linn Unidisk SC player (and full Majik setup - preamp, amps, speakers) I was able to hear a distinct difference between CD and SACD.

So I would recommend you to make your own judgement. Make an ISO->PCM(24/88,2 or 24/176,4) convertion by yourself, listen and compare to your own CD rip (or rip of the CD layer of a hybrid SACD).

There were rumors that some of hybrid SACDs include two different masterings - one for a SACD layer and one for a CD layer. If that is true, layers will definitely sound different.

Recently I tested the following SACDs:
Babyface - The Day (1996/2001)
Alison Krauss - Now That I've Found You (1995/2002)
Alison Krauss - Forget About It (1999)
Alison Krauss + Union Station - New Favorite (2001)

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2017-08-29, 13:25
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(2017-08-29 12:05)mcgillroy Wrote:  
(2017-08-29 11:40)erho Wrote:  
(2017-08-29 11:26)Gussy Wrote:  Once you've extracted the DSF files (do a Google search for ISO2DSF) don't forget that minimserver will transcode dsf files to pcm on the fly....

Yes I know this, but there are differences in volume, which setting should be used because read that a gain of +6db will lead to clipping?

Best to ask this on the Minimserver Forum. Simon is usually very helpful and replies quick.

(2017-08-29 12:25)dubselect Wrote:  
(2017-08-29 11:40)erho Wrote:  So you think in case of Hybrid SACDs it do not matter, the CD layer sounds the same as the converted HighRez PCM file? Or should I hear differences with my Majik DSM/III?
I am afraid I can not really answer this question. I can only speak for my ears and my system.

I can add that when I had Linn Unidisk SC player (and full Majik setup - preamp, amps, speakers) I was able to hear a distinct difference between CD and SACD.

So I would recommend you to make your own judgement. Make an ISO->PCM(24/88,2 or 24/176,4) convertion by yourself, listen and compare to your own CD rip (or rip of the CD layer of a hybrid SACD).

There were rumors that some of hybrid SACDs include two different masterings - one for a SACD layer and one for a CD layer. If that is true, layers will definitely sound different.

Recently I tested the following SACDs:
Babyface - The Day (1996/2001)
Alison Krauss - Now That I've Found You (1995/2002)
Alison Krauss - Forget About It (1999)
Alison Krauss + Union Station - New Favorite (2001)

Thanks mate, will try it out, Sonore program is clear, but now I am searching for a DSD-to-PCM converter which is not too expensive and will do fine conversion.
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2017-08-30, 10:24
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Thanks mate, will try it out, Sonore program is clear, but now I am searching for a DSD-to-PCM converter which is not too expensive and will do fine conversion.
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Try X Lossless Decoder (XLD), a freeware for Mac: http://tmkk.undo.jp/xld/index_e.html
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2017-08-31, 06:09
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(2017-08-30 10:24)CTI Wrote:  Thanks mate, will try it out, Sonore program is clear, but now I am searching for a DSD-to-PCM converter which is not too expensive and will do fine conversion.

Try X Lossless Decoder (XLD), a freeware for Mac: http://tmkk.undo.jp/xld/index_e.html
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I know this program, but always hard to find the right gain settings, do not know what to use as +6db gain is too much and I want convert only once and get the best result for archiving my files.
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