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2017-10-13, 10:45
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Hi Linn folk.

I’m going to be controversial here, not trying to start an argument but just interested in your thoughts as a music and tech enthusiast.

Isn’t it time we embraced the future and did away with NAS drives and macs/pc’s as music servers? I’ve signed up for Tidal and love it. And I just want to get rid of my mac with ripped cd’s and go IOS. But the SO/dsm needs a Mac or pc to update. I have also signed up for Apple 2TB cloud and stored all my home videos and photos there so what’s keeping everyone not going to IOS (or windows tablets if you are into them)? Or is it just me?!
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2017-10-13, 10:53
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1) Power of tablets and mobile devices is limited. Many things are still not possible on them, nor probably ever will be. Plus their reliance on WiFi which can be iffy. And battery life is another bugbear.
2) Dependent on the internet, ISP, phone lines etc. Number of times Tidal has dropped out makes me wonder why I still have it. Certainly never going to be totally reliant on the cloud., it would drive me nuts.
3) SQ. Afraid to say, streaming from the cloud is not as good as from my local NAS, even CD quality, let alone HiRes. I have compared. No doubt down to better jitter management or other noise factors.

That'll do for starters! Smile Just IMO of course.

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2017-10-13, 11:09
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I don't trust Apple, or any cloud provider for that matter, enough to take good care of my content.
I find IOS too expensive compared to Android devices.
I don't want to have to rely on an internet connection to be able to play music, even though I have a business line at home with 99.99% uptime. A consumer connection hardly ever has a SLA, so downtime could take days.

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2017-10-13, 11:25
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RE: Streaming
Personally I have never had a drop out using Tidal. I find the sound quality as good as anything ripped and stored on my local server. We now advise customers that are buying DS for the first time to seriously consider using Tidal instead of investing time and money ripping their CD collection. As it has at least 1 one month free trial then it is easy to trial it. The metadata faff is not to be underestimated.
We do use Roon as our interface to our digital music which very much blurs the lines between music sources i.e. just as easy to find Tidal as local music.

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2017-10-13, 12:01
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RE: Streaming
I too have never had a problem with Tidal, or Qobuz. I use them both, and find them to be exceptionally reliable with no drop-outs (at least when I've been using them!)
As to SQ, I find the quality of content on both Tidal & Qobuz to be equivalent to my locally-stored files. The only problem I have is that they still don't have certain pieces of music available for streaming, which means I have to resort to my CD/NAS for some content occasionally.
If I was 'starting again from scratch', without having ripped/bought the music on my NAS, I think I would be tempted to dispense with the NAS completely, and just stream.
I think given time, assuming Tidal & Qobuz stay in business (?) this is what we will see in the future.

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2017-10-13, 12:43
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I’m sitting in a coffee shop having a bite to eat listening to Robert Plants new album on my headphones, streaming in 24 bit from Quboz. It sounds brilliant but limited by the iPad. I must confess that I can barely hear any difference between streamed and stored at home and I am now questioning myself over buying albums. I switched to Quboz high res streaming this summer and yes it really does make a difference. I could never see myself totally streaming but I can understand why people do. I believe (although not certain) that Linn dealers are now using streaming for demonstrations. It saves them buying plus they have a huge selection of music to demo with. So customers are more likely to hear what they want hear when going in to a dealer. As for using a cloud service to store, I would only use it as a backup. I do that for photos but not music. I have also lost broadband at times which if everything was in the cloud would render the hi-fi useless. So a NAS will stay and will carry on being used.
The main thing I love about streaming is the ability to hear new music and explore music that I wouldn’t otherwise have heard.
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2017-10-13, 12:57
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There's a case for either approach and a case for using both.

Tidal is great for new stuff and casual listening but it does not sound as good as a locally stored rip. Probably because of this (amongst other things):

https://www.mattmontag.com/music/univers...-watermark

My kids (14 and 16) use the Tidal service and I suspect they'll never own their own music collection. Which is a shame as even when they have a house full of Klimax gear the music will not be at its best Big Grin I am, however, so pleased that they haven't gone down the mp3 route.

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2017-10-13, 14:05
Post: #8
RE: Streaming
Sunbeamgls, it seems at least on this thread you are in the minority in preferrring the sound of the rips to Tidal.
I am not sure whether Kazoo does this but Roon does indicate what quality you are streming from Tidal and it has to be said that not all content is CD quality, some is MP3 or equivalent. Sometimes you do have to pick another version of an album to get the CD quality one. Perhaps this might explain the issue some people have with Tidal sound quality.

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2017-10-13, 14:18 (This post was last modified: 2017-10-13 14:19 by Tin.)
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(2017-10-13 14:05)CJ1045 Wrote:  Sunbeamgls, it seems at least on this thread you are in the minority in preferrring the sound of the rips to Tidal.
I am not sure whether Kazoo does this but Roon does indicate what quality you are streming from Tidal and it has to be said that not all content is CD quality, some is MP3 or equivalent. Sometimes you do have to pick another version of an album to get the CD quality one. Perhaps this might explain the issue some people have with Tidal sound quality.

CJ
Timster prefers it as well as he stated above, and so do I.
I know Paulssurround got mildly frustrated when he tried to do his magic using a streaming service and couldn't figure out why he couldn't get it right.

I can understand that for you, as a trader, configuring a streaming service is preferable, and if I were a trader I'd probably do the same.

PS Watermarking has nothing to do with lossy versus losless.

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2017-10-13, 14:21 (This post was last modified: 2017-10-13 14:22 by timster.)
Post: #10
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Yup, as Tin said. I did a direct A/B comparison with a download of mine on my NAS and the Tidal stream version (both CD quality). OK, so the download was from Qobuz, but still. Definitely better from my NAS.
Perhaps it's not noticeable when listening standalone and without a direct comparison of tracks from the same album, and from the same master.

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