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2017-10-13, 14:24
Post: #11
RE: Streaming
I listen to classical (mostly).
Contens of that kind of music is very limited on Tidal or even Qobuz.
There are tons of music on my NAS that are not, and will never be on stream (out of print,...).
Streaming is very convenient, but cannot substitude my NAS.
All in all, for casual listener Tidal is OK, but not a substitute.
There is room for both systems.

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2017-10-13, 14:51
Post: #12
RE: Streaming
(2017-10-13 14:24)Manelus Wrote:  I listen to classical (mostly).
Contens of that kind of music is very limited on Tidal or even Qobuz.
There are tons of music on my NAS that are not, and will never be on stream (out of print,...).
Streaming is very convenient, but cannot substitude my NAS.
All in all, for casual listener Tidal is OK, but not a substitute.
There is room for both systems.

I agree, I have lots of music on my NAS that's not available on Qobuz. So I see it as a nice supplement. I have compared the sound quality of a few hi-res downloads from Qobuz to the streamed versions of them (I have Qobuz Sublime+) and clearly preferred the downloads.

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2017-10-13, 16:04
Post: #13
RE: Streaming
No doubt to my ears that a local NAS outperforms Tidal and Qobuz....

I now just use Qobuz Sublime for the price reductions.
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2017-10-13, 16:13
Post: #14
RE: Streaming
(2017-10-13 14:18)Tin Wrote:  
(2017-10-13 14:05)CJ1045 Wrote:  Sunbeamgls, it seems at least on this thread you are in the minority in preferrring the sound of the rips to Tidal.
I am not sure whether Kazoo does this but Roon does indicate what quality you are streming from Tidal and it has to be said that not all content is CD quality, some is MP3 or equivalent. Sometimes you do have to pick another version of an album to get the CD quality one. Perhaps this might explain the issue some people have with Tidal sound quality.

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Timster prefers it as well as he stated above, and so do I.
I know Paulssurround got mildly frustrated when he tried to do his magic using a streaming service and couldn't figure out why he couldn't get it right.

I can understand that for you, as a trader, configuring a streaming service is preferable, and if I were a trader I'd probably do the same.

PS Watermarking has nothing to do with lossy versus losless.

Nothing to do with being a trader - just my personal view that Tidal is just as good as ripped music for me. I subscribe to Tidal and have not bought a CD for well over a year so I put my own money where my mouth is.

My view with regards to someone new to a DS is that they should really trial Tidal before looking at ripping hundreds of CDs and investing in other hardware. I suspect most people on here will not fall into this category as they will have ripped CDs, like me, for their DS long before Tidal or Qobuz were available rightly thinking the rips were better than Spotify or similar. I have 900 ripped CDs on our server. But if you are someone that has not ripped a single CD then I would suggest Tidal is a brilliant alternative especially as I think it sounds just as good.

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2017-10-13, 16:56
Post: #15
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(2017-10-13 16:04)Gussy Wrote:  No doubt to my ears that a local NAS outperforms Tidal and Qobuz....

I now just use Qobuz Sublime for the price reductions.

You might want to try Audirvana UPnP to stream Tidal from your Mac/PC, IMHO SQ is comparable to a local NAS (in my setup it is with Asset UPnP).
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2017-10-13, 18:59
Post: #16
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(2017-10-13 16:13)CJ1045 Wrote:  
(2017-10-13 14:18)Tin Wrote:  
(2017-10-13 14:05)CJ1045 Wrote:  Sunbeamgls, it seems at least on this thread you are in the minority in preferrring the sound of the rips to Tidal.
I am not sure whether Kazoo does this but Roon does indicate what quality you are streming from Tidal and it has to be said that not all content is CD quality, some is MP3 or equivalent. Sometimes you do have to pick another version of an album to get the CD quality one. Perhaps this might explain the issue some people have with Tidal sound quality.

CJ
Timster prefers it as well as he stated above, and so do I.
I know Paulssurround got mildly frustrated when he tried to do his magic using a streaming service and couldn't figure out why he couldn't get it right.

I can understand that for you, as a trader, configuring a streaming service is preferable, and if I were a trader I'd probably do the same.

PS Watermarking has nothing to do with lossy versus losless.

Nothing to do with being a trader - just my personal view that Tidal is just as good as ripped music for me. I subscribe to Tidal and have not bought a CD for well over a year so I put my own money where my mouth is.

My view with regards to someone new to a DS is that they should really trial Tidal before looking at ripping hundreds of CDs and investing in other hardware. I suspect most people on here will not fall into this category as they will have ripped CDs, like me, for their DS long before Tidal or Qobuz were available rightly thinking the rips were better than Spotify or similar. I have 900 ripped CDs on our server. But if you are someone that has not ripped a single CD then I would suggest Tidal is a brilliant alternative especially as I think it sounds just as good.

CJ

You do say that you also use Roon - that implies investing in and maintaining more hardware as well doesn't it?
I took the Tidal trial when it first came out and it's a case of "once bitten" for me. There were dropouts which totally ruined the experience, but besides that I found it near impossible to find what I wanted. If a streaming company is going to provide a service I don't expect to have to invest in more kit and another service in order to make proper use.
That's before we get onto the 'watermarking' debacle.

With locally stored music I know what I've got, how to find it and that I can play a full album without nervously waiting for the next dropout. Streaming from the internet is stress I don't need, I listen to music to relax.

But that's just me - we're all different.

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2017-10-13, 19:02
Post: #17
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I use A Raspberry Pi as a Roon device feeding my processor via HDMI - aobut £35 of kit, in fact two as one is in my daughter's room too. She uses Roon as well to play her music. Pis are pretty cheap.

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2017-10-13, 19:20
Post: #18
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(2017-10-13 19:02)CJ1045 Wrote:  I use A Raspberry Pi as a Roon device feeding my processor via HDMI - aobut £35 of kit, in fact two as one is in my daughter's room too. She uses Roon as well to play her music. Pis are pretty cheap.

CJ

Fair enough. I must be out-of-date Smile Last I was aware it needed a pretty beefy processor acting as a "Roon Core" or something like that.
You can probably tell I'm not mad keen on Roon either Rolleyes I agree it's very clever and solves a problem, but it's another service to maintain and it seems to take away an element control - your music is in the hands of someone else. Some people are glad of that.
Does Roon then also rely on a live Internet connection, even when only serving your own locally stored music? That's be another worry for me. I'm sounding like a total Luddite Big Grin

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2017-10-13, 20:14
Post: #19
RE: Streaming
I have Qobuz on subscription, just Sublime - not Sublime +. Most od my purchased CDs over the last year are not available to stream on Qobuz (ECM, Stcockfisch, for example). Some ACT has now become available and that is a positive but I would still need a NAS to store the purchased tracks.

The issue over which is better is an interesting one - I find that it depends on the track. I have many albums on the NAS that I definitely prefer to the Qobuz stream - I have some that I can't tell the difference but I have yet to come across one where I actually prefer the Quobuz stream. Interestingly I streamed the Hi Res file of Blue in Green from the Qobuz sampler, the ALAC file from Kind of Blue from the NAS, a stream from the same album as the ALAC file but from Qobuz and the track from a good vinyl copy (a nice '70s Blue Note). I still prefer the vinyl, but that is not necessarily a fair choice. However, the NAS rip was much better than the stream of the identical track and the Hi Res was similar to the NAS (I couldn't really tell them apart).

I've yet to be convinced by Hi Res files. If I could stream Hi Res ECM then I would buy the Sublime + for a year , but as of today I can't - it is download only.

One day I'm sure that there will be virtually no difference. It is close today but in my view the whole package is not there yet. It probably needs a better deal for the lower volume indies to get on board - and I fully understand their position and will continue to buy their product as a solid media.

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2017-10-13, 20:42
Post: #20
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Roon Core runs on our server. It is quite powerful but don't really think it needs much power. We control it from either an iPad 1, an Android phone or a Windows 10 tablet (Linx). Roon connects to devices for playback either using Airplay or to either of the Raspberry Pi which run PiCoreplayer standard install.

All work smoothly and well. Internet connection needed for Tidal and for artist/album info in Roon. We have 20meg internet and it works perfectly.

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