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2017-10-16, 16:16
Post: #31
RE: Streaming
I have also had an issue recently with trying to find an 'oldie' on both Tidal & Qobuz, that just wasn't available to stream. In the end, I had to rip my own CD to the NAS to hear it via my streamer, or choose to just play the CD. Thankfully, those types of titles are in the minority, but I appreciate that this sort of thing might affect other users to a greater extent.
But I think for the majority of listeners, the methodology of ripping your WHOLE CD collection to a NAS is probably now defunct if you choose to subscribe to a streaming service.

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2017-10-16, 16:23
Post: #32
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(2017-10-16 16:01)timster Wrote:  From reading other's points of view, it appears a lot of the NAS v Streaming argument is down to listening habits as much as anything else.

Streaming is absolutely brilliant for finding new stuff, hearing otherwise unknown and even unknowable artists, and the occasional surprising and serendipitous discovery (Hannah Epperson and the recent Prequell immediately spring to mind).

My problem, if it were to be characterised as such, with streaming as it currently exists is that it's absolutely rubbish for re-visiting old friends and browsing what you already know you like (or liked) because you made the effort and expense to buy it. The current block-favourites approach would mean eventually it would be just one huge unsorted and disorganised mass. Search is all well and good but you need to remember what it is you're searching for.

My question to those who have gone the streaming-only route then is this: how often do you/would you listen to an old album - even one you found since you started subscribing, perhaps only two years ago? How easy would it be for you to come across an old friend purely by chance on Tidal/Qobuz? How would one be able to create a randomised playlist from your favourites (as you can from your NAS in a number of ways) and then pick the whole album of one presented?

If the contents of my NAS could be replicated in the cloud in the same organised way, and I could have a server that would do what Minim and/or Asset currently do to it, and it alone - not anything else that exists - then I would stop buying downloads and put anything new into that NAS emulation up there in the ether. But that ain't going to happen is it?

I think this is a good point and I think I have only just (last week actually) started to think about this. By coincidence I noticed the same thing when I realised I had forgotten all about one of the recent albums despite really liking it.

I think the answer might be in their playlist facility. I haven't even started it yet but I was going to start building my own playlist of my favourite new albums of the month. To some extent they have memory joggers in their own monthly playlists. But it makes sense for me to put just the new albums I like in my own playlist I think.

The problem I think I will have is that I am struggling already to listen to each weeks new sounds and I am not sure I can keep up with it all. I will let you know how it goes. Another way to think about it is to just put albums in that you would have bought. Not sure what the max number of albums/tracks is for Qobuz but I would have to keep it to a 1000 because of Linn.

The thing I miss most on my Minimserver is a random album/track selector. Maybe Qobuz should offer a personalised album list option and the ability to random select from that. The problem I will have I think is being disciplined enough to remember to mark them. Sad

I will give the playlist a go first. Smile
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2017-10-16, 16:55
Post: #33
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Actually, the playlists may be a solution in the long term Martin, at least in part. You'd have to start straight away though - I have spent time and effort tagging all my albums with a "date added" field (admittedly the bulk of rips made at the start of creating a library are kind of random!). But now any new album has been tagged "year-month" so I can go to Minim and select a random month or most recent depending on whether I'm browsing or just want to hear newer albums again.

So if you could emulate that in Qobuz/Tidal playlists by adding albums to a monthly one named "year-month", hey presto, you're at least partly organised! Smile As long as you remember to do it every time. 5 years worth would be 60 playlists - I don't suppose there would a limit.

Only thing is - do Qobuz playlists group albums, like Kazoo ones? Tidal ones don't, they just become a list of tracks which would be pain Sad

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2017-10-16, 18:02
Post: #34
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(2017-10-16 16:55)timster Wrote:  Actually, the playlists may be a solution in the long term Martin, at least in part. You'd have to start straight away though - I have spent time and effort tagging all my albums with a "date added" field (admittedly the bulk of rips made at the start of creating a library are kind of random!). But now any new album has been tagged "year-month" so I can go to Minim and select a random month or most recent depending on whether I'm browsing or just want to hear newer albums again.

So if you could emulate that in Qobuz/Tidal playlists by adding albums to a monthly one named "year-month", hey presto, you're at least partly organised! Smile As long as you remember to do it every time. 5 years worth would be 60 playlists - I don't suppose there would a limit.

Only thing is - do Qobuz playlists group albums, like Kazoo ones? Tidal ones don't, they just become a list of tracks which would be pain Sad

I seem to remember there being a "Last FM Scrobbler" which (I think) posted whatever you played on your Ds to a Last FM account.
Maybe something like that which just stored everything you played "somewhere" and then something else (maybe in Kazoo) had a "last month" or "last year" section which told you what stuff you played on this day last month or last year? Or maybe that's exactly what Last FM already does - I have no idea - never looked - but the thought of grabbing everything the Ds plays and storing it somewhere always seemed an interesting idea. Wouldn't have thought it'd be difficult to do either.

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2017-10-16, 18:28
Post: #35
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I have Roon sitting on top of both my ripped albums and Tidal. In Roon I can tag a Tidal Album as a favorite and it then appears with my ripped albums in the Albums folder. The two sources then appear together although you can still filter by source. Seems to be what you are looking for. As, to me, Roon is just a very nice interface and database I suspect we well see this capability in more and more music management/playback software.

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2017-10-16, 20:22
Post: #36
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(2017-10-16 18:28)CJ1045 Wrote:  I have Roon sitting on top of both my ripped albums and Tidal. In Roon I can tag a Tidal Album as a favorite and it then appears with my ripped albums in the Albums folder. The two sources then appear together although you can still filter by source. Seems to be what you are looking for. As, to me, Roon is just a very nice interface and database I suspect we well see this capability in more and more music management/playback software.

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If that is literally 'the requirement' then you would 'think' that could be a simple development because the commands etc are already there and it would just need the favourites list to be merged with the NAS list. But I am sure there is a cunning complication.
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2017-10-16, 20:58
Post: #37
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(2017-10-16 16:55)timster Wrote:  Actually, the playlists may be a solution in the long term Martin, at least in part. You'd have to start straight away though - I have spent time and effort tagging all my albums with a "date added" field (admittedly the bulk of rips made at the start of creating a library are kind of random!). But now any new album has been tagged "year-month" so I can go to Minim and select a random month or most recent depending on whether I'm browsing or just want to hear newer albums again.

So if you could emulate that in Qobuz/Tidal playlists by adding albums to a monthly one named "year-month", hey presto, you're at least partly organised! Smile As long as you remember to do it every time. 5 years worth would be 60 playlists - I don't suppose there would a limit.

Only thing is - do Qobuz playlists group albums, like Kazoo ones? Tidal ones don't, they just become a list of tracks which would be pain Sad

I started earlier and the albums tracks are kept in order (so far).

I had thought about adding the albums from the listening thread to a Qobuz playlist but never got around to it.
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2017-10-17, 18:07
Post: #38
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This thread made me think about streaming so on Saturday night I switched off my NAS and have streamed only since. I should also note that I listen to the radio first thing in the morning (Cerys on Sunday) and sometimes in the afternoon.
I have streamed in high res and normal CD quality. Have I noticed any difference, not really. Did it make my listening experience poorer, no it didn't. I never at any time thought "that sounds better than the NAS" or vice versa. So if you were coming in fresh streaming I think streaming could be a viable option but the test is your own ears. I still purchase music and will continue to do so because I'll never forget that Quboz, Tidal and Spotify don't put enough money into musicians pockets to feed them let alone record new material.

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2017-10-17, 22:39
Post: #39
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(2017-10-17 18:07)Scooter Wrote:  I still purchase music and will continue to do so because I'll never forget that Quboz, Tidal and Spotify don't put enough money into musicians pockets to feed them let alone record new material.

Agree completely.

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