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2017-10-24, 09:40
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Very basic questions from streaming know-nothing
Guys, please humour me and be gentle, these are very basic questions from someone who thinks streaming is akin to wizardry.

Am I right in thinking that a streamer gets its 'source' either from online services such as i-tunes, or from a bulk memory device such a hard drive?

Presumably, if I only want to access music from a memory device, I do not need internet access? But I do obviously need to connect the streamer to the network.

If I do wish to access music from an online source, for some reason I need two routers?

I need to connect the router to the streamer by hard wire, not wi-fi. But can I connect via one of those mains links (whatever they're called) to avoid wires all over the place?

Also, this means that the computer has to be switched on all the time I want to access music.

To be honest, although I'm sure it all sounds vastly superior to my ancient Meridian CD player, isn't it all a bit of a faff?

I'm rather inclined to bag myself a bargain used Linn CD player.

Am I wrong to think this?

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2017-10-24, 09:51
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RE: Very basic questions from streaming know-nothing
Try reading this first (and other resources available in Linn Docs) which will hopefully answer your initial questions. Is it worth it? Absolutely yes.

http://docs.linn.co.uk/wiki/index.php/In...S_Concepts
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2017-10-24, 10:05 (This post was last modified: 2017-10-24 10:07 by Tin.)
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RE: Very basic questions from streaming know-nothing
It is sooooo worth it. Smile
Do yourself a favour and go to a dealer and decide for yourself by making a direct comparison.
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2017-10-24, 10:49 (This post was last modified: 2017-10-24 12:12 by DavidHB.)
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RE: Very basic questions from streaming know-nothing
I'll have a go at answering your specific questions

(2017-10-24 09:40)rvbush Wrote:  Am I right in thinking that a streamer gets its 'source' either from online services such as i-tunes, or from a bulk memory device such a hard drive?

Broadly, yes. Some streaming players work off attached USB hard drives. Linn has (as a matter of policy) not gone down that route; all Linn players get their media from the network only. From the perspective of the player, everything is a network stream, whether it is locally stored or sourced online.

(2017-10-24 09:40)rvbush Wrote:  Presumably, if I only want to access music from a memory device, I do not need internet access? But I do obviously need to connect the streamer to the network.

Yes. A streamer is almost by definition intended to be network connected. Linn players need the internet for online services, internet radio (which can be significantly higher quality than FM), software updating and (in some cases) for initial setup. Otherwise a Linn player can function perfectly well on the network but without an internet connection.

(2017-10-24 09:40)rvbush Wrote:  If I do wish to access music from an online source, for some reason I need two routers?

No. You might need an additional switch or switches (think of them as junction boxes) to add additional components to the network, but you don't need (and in most cases probably should not have) a second router. While I understand Linn's advice on this subject, I think that it is potentially misleading to the new user.

(2017-10-24 09:40)rvbush Wrote:  I need to connect the router to the streamer by hard wire, not wi-fi. But can I connect via one of those mains links (whatever they're called) to avoid wires all over the place?

Yes, but they are not ideal. They are typically referred to as powerline or Homeplug devices. At one time, they seemed to be prone to RF interference problems, but this seems to be less of an issue nowadays. Plain Ethernet is technically the best option, because it is fast, reliable and relatively easy to fix if it does go wrong. In my own case, rather than buy powerline devices, I paid a fitter £20 to run a network cable out of sight under the carpet, at the edge of the room where it would not be trodden on.

(2017-10-24 09:40)rvbush Wrote:  Also, this means that the computer has to be switched on all the time I want to access music.

Yes, if the computer is where you store the music. In my opinion, standard desktop and laptop computers are not well suited to be music servers; a NAS (Network Attached Store) is a much better device for this purpose. You can use a basic, single drive NAS to keep the cost down and the complexity at bay, provided that you keep a full up to date backup of your music library elsewhere in the system (e.g. on the computer). You do need a NAS on which you can run specialist music server software; the models from QNAP and Synology tend to be the best platforms for third party software of this kind., but particular applications support other makes as well. Of all the music server applications, MinimServer probably supports the widest range of platforms.

(2017-10-24 09:40)rvbush Wrote:  To be honest, although I'm sure it all sounds vastly superior to my ancient Meridian CD player, isn't it all a bit of a faff?

Yes and no. Component hi-fi was a bit of a faff when we first got into it, but in time we became used to it and learned how to recognise and fix problems when they arose. Streaming is really no different in this regard. I made the switch to streaming four years ago, the better part of half a century after I first became interested in hi-fi, and I haven't looked back. I still have a CD player and turntable in my system, but they see much less use than the streamer.

(2017-10-24 09:40)rvbush Wrote:  I'm rather inclined to bag myself a bargain used Linn CD player.

Other folk here will probably jump on me, but I'd say that this is now a bad way to spend upgrade money. Linn have not made CD players since 2009, and spare parts are becoming progressively more difficult to source. If you want to retain the option of using the CD player, the best thing to do is to get a recent model DSM with its greatly superior DAC and connect the CD player digitally to that. Your Meridian might be useful for that, or you could get a CD transport such as the Cyrus.

(2017-10-24 09:40)rvbush Wrote:  Am I wrong to think this?

No. It's your call.

David

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2017-10-24, 11:35
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RE: Very basic questions from streaming know-nothing
David... <insert clapping hands smiley here>
Very concise summary and extremely well put.
A would add that the convenience and ease of access that streaming allows (whether from internet services or a local library), as well as the now very high quality devices like Linn's (better than CD), makes what may seem a faff and yet another learning curve more than worth it.

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2017-10-24, 12:00
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RE: Very basic questions from streaming know-nothing
(2017-10-24 11:35)timster Wrote:  A would add that the convenience and ease of access that streaming allows (whether from internet services or a local library), as well as the now very high quality devices like Linn's (better than CD), makes what may seem a faff and yet another learning curve more than worth it.

Yes, I'd entirely agree. Incidentally, I have made a couple of changes for clarification to my earlier post.

David

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2017-10-24, 12:37 (This post was last modified: 2017-10-24 12:37 by Scooter.)
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RE: Very basic questions from streaming know-nothing
Not sure where your located but if your near a Linn dealer I would highly recommend going to talk to them. When I first heard of Linn’s streamers I went to my dealer who explained how it all worked but more importantly when I went decided to go down the streaming route I bought what was needed (as recommended on the Linn website) and the system was setup by the dealer and has worked ever since. The only change that has been made (IT wise) is the router which is now a BT homehub. I wasn’t a IT geek but have become more knowledgable as required. The hardest or more time consuming is ripping your CD collection to your storage. I have encountered a few issues over the years but help is always here on the forums as you have already experienced.

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2017-10-24, 14:59 (This post was last modified: 2017-10-24 15:00 by rvbush.)
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RE: Very basic questions from streaming know-nothing
Huge thanks to you all for your responses, especially to David for taking the time and trouble to address each and every one of my questions so concisely. My thanks to everyone else for helping me to decide to hang on a bit and upgrade (when the time comes) to an Akurate DSM, this will reduce the box count as it will undoubtedly make my CD player redundant and will replace my ageing Exotik pre-amp. Ripping CD's is no problem, in fact I've already done quite a few.

By the way, I'm located near Leamington Spa in Warwickshire, so I think my nearest Linn dealer is now in Brum (used to be one in Leamington, but not any more I don't think).

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2017-10-24, 15:28
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RE: Very basic questions from streaming know-nothing
Well you are not so very far from

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2017-10-24, 16:52
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RE: Very basic questions from streaming know-nothing
This is very true!!

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