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A Sublime question
2017-11-03, 16:26
Post: #11
RE: A Sublime question
Furthermore - Sublime+ is expensive, but the instant access to 96/24 files, and even the odd 192/24 one, makes it worthwhile to me.
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2018-01-06, 00:23
Post: #12
RE: A Sublime question
I have recently moved from Tidal (HiFi) towards Qobuz (Sublime+). It was a bit of a blind guess because you have to pay for a full year, before you can actually observe how many of your favourite albums are available for high-res streaming. So I did some statistics, based on the albums I had previously selected on Tidal:

Out of my 277 albums:

- 62 (22%) where not available on Qobuz
- 215 (78%) where available (sometimes with a slightly different cover or title)

Out of those 215 albums, 74 (34%) where labelled "Available in Hi-Res". Of those:

- 26 (35%) where streamable at >= 88.1 kHz and 24 bit
- 36 (49%) where higher than CD quality but below 88.1 kHz (e.g. 44.1/24 or 48/24)
- 11 (15%) are streamed as normal CD quality eventhough a high-res version is available for sale
- 1 (1%) was at 320 kbps mp3 (!)

There are some audible differences where Tidal 44.1/16 is clearly of less quality than Qobuz 44.1/16. When I have investigated that further, I'll create a thread to address that.

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2018-01-06, 02:01
Post: #13
RE: A Sublime question
(2018-01-06 00:23)piolinn Wrote:  - 1 (1%) was at 320 kbps mp3 (!)

What's the name of the album?

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2018-01-06, 08:54
Post: #14
RE: A Sublime question
There’s the odd example where the record company has not allowed streaming, but is allowing very limited extracts to be heard - these are usually at MP3 rates. Sometimes these become available for full streaming at proper rates a few weeks after release, eg on Chandos.

Piolinn raises one of my frustrations with Qobuz, ie that some albums have the Hi Res symbol against them, but only stream at 16/44. This is pretty annoying when one's paying a premium price for the Sublime+ service. Nevertheless, for the most part it works well, and the sound quality often is, er, sublime.
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2018-01-06, 09:26 (This post was last modified: 2018-01-06 09:31 by Scooter.)
Post: #15
RE: A Sublime question
(2018-01-06 00:23)piolinn Wrote:  I have recently moved from Tidal (HiFi) towards Qobuz (Sublime+). It was a bit of a blind guess because you have to pay for a full year, before you can actually observe how many of your favourite albums are available for high-res streaming. So I did some statistics, based on the albums I had previously selected on Tidal:

Out of my 277 albums:

- 62 (22%) where not available on Qobuz
- 215 (78%) where available (sometimes with a slightly different cover or title)

Out of those 215 albums, 74 (34%) where labelled "Available in Hi-Res". Of those:

- 26 (35%) where streamable at >= 88.1 kHz and 24 bit
- 36 (49%) where higher than CD quality but below 88.1 kHz (e.g. 44.1/24 or 48/24)
- 11 (15%) are streamed as normal CD quality eventhough a high-res version is available for sale
- 1 (1%) was at 320 kbps mp3 (!)

There are some audible differences where Tidal 44.1/16 is clearly of less quality than Qobuz 44.1/16. When I have investigated that further, I'll create a thread to address that.

Just to make it clear don’t assume that because Quboz sells a high res album that it will be available to stream in high res. There are a few that stream in CD quality despite being for sale in high res. The record labels do at times stop the high res stream, not often but it does happen. The record labels at times also remove albums from sale which is also annoying and I don’t understand why they do it. For example I bought a Roger Waters album at 24/192 and it is no longer available to buy!! I also streamed the new Martin Carr album, loved it went to buy it days later and it had also been withdrawn all together. Quboz have a great customer service who informed me that the record company had pulled it and they had no option but to comply. Strange if downloads are the way forward.

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2018-01-06, 10:55
Post: #16
RE: A Sublime question
(2018-01-06 02:01)BB1 Wrote:  
(2018-01-06 00:23)piolinn Wrote:  - 1 (1%) was at 320 kbps mp3 (!)

What's the name of the album?

Life Love Flesh Blood by Imelda May, available in 96/24, streams as mp3.

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2018-01-06, 13:59
Post: #17
RE: A Sublime question
The Imelda May Album appears 4 times when viewed in Kazoo. 2 are blanked out as not available for some reason (seen this with other artists eg Peter Gabriel) but 2 are. One is 16 bit and one 24 bit. I can hear an obvious improvement in the presentation and general atmosphere of this recording in 24 bit.

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2018-01-06, 14:23 (This post was last modified: 2018-01-06 14:25 by andy2.)
Post: #18
RE: A Sublime question
+1
Streaming the Imelda May album right now in 96/24, excellent sq, nice lounge musicWink

It's the second copy of the album displayed in Kazoo, in Lumin it's clearer that the first copy is not playable
with the album title greyed out.

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2018-01-06, 16:13
Post: #19
RE: A Sublime question
(2018-01-06 00:23)piolinn Wrote:  There are some audible differences where Tidal 44.1/16 is clearly of less quality than Qobuz 44.1/16. When I have investigated that further, I'll create a thread to address that.

That’s really interesting. I trialled both Tidal and Qobuz before settling on the latter, but didn’t get as far as comparing sound quality as I (daftly) assumed they’d be the same, and my trials got no further than checking availability of albums and reliability. At the time Qobuz won hands down on both; my tastes are more suited to the Qobuz offerings, and Qobuz streams were also reliable - I had a lot of dropouts with Tidal although I understand they’ve improved things since then.

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2018-01-06, 17:43
Post: #20
RE: A Sublime question
(2018-01-06 14:23)andy2 Wrote:  +1
Streaming the Imelda May album right now in 96/24, excellent sq, nice lounge musicWink

It's the second copy of the album displayed in Kazoo, in Lumin it's clearer that the first copy is not playable
with the album title greyed out.

The same here.

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