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2017-11-30, 22:02
Post: #11
RE: Davaar Beta 60.192 DSD Katalyst
I'd bet we'll see a DS(M) with a microphone input in 2020 or 2021. Wink

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2017-11-30, 22:04
Post: #12
RE: Davaar Beta 60.192 DSD Katalyst
I expect we’ll see MQA supported around about 2021...

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2017-11-30, 22:05
Post: #13
RE: Davaar Beta 60.192 DSD Katalyst
(2017-11-30 22:02)BB1 Wrote:  I'd bet we'll see a DS(M) with a microphone input in 2020 or 2021. Wink

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2017-11-30, 22:06 (This post was last modified: 2017-11-30 22:06 by mickc.)
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RE: Davaar Beta 60.192 DSD Katalyst
(2017-11-30 21:47)phino Wrote:  Didn't the same thing happen with mp3? Originally they were dead set against, but then they implemented it and it became a bit of a turning point? Not sure of the details but that's the impression I have.

Yes, and as I recall when mp3 playback was finally introduced, it was originally only available on the KDS, which seems odd, in that it was the best streaming source, but the only one able to play one of the potentially worst formats.

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2017-11-30, 22:23
Post: #15
RE: Davaar Beta 60.192 DSD Katalyst
(2017-11-30 22:06)mickc Wrote:  
(2017-11-30 21:47)phino Wrote:  Didn't the same thing happen with mp3? Originally they were dead set against, but then they implemented it and it became a bit of a turning point? Not sure of the details but that's the impression I have.

Yes, and as I recall when mp3 playback was finally introduced, it was originally only available on the KDS, which seems odd, in that it was the best streaming source, but the only one able to play one of the potentially worst formats.

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2017-12-01, 09:03 (This post was last modified: 2017-12-01 09:10 by dol.)
Post: #16
RE: Davaar Beta 60.192 DSD Katalyst
very interesting, now everyone can compared dsd and PCM at their own leisure.
(Ie is Saracon better than AKM DAC to convert the signal?)

It raises a few questions though:
1. What media server and control point will allow sending dsd files to KDSM/2?
2. Will DSD playback disable SPACE Optimization, Delay mode? Songcast?
3. Anyone tried it and what is your observations? Very keen to compare MJ Thriller album which I have on both formats eventually.

(2017-11-30 17:14)timster Wrote:  
(2017-11-30 17:10)phino Wrote:  DSD on the Kat DS/DSM: That'll set the Kat amongst the pigeons Big Grin

Interesting. Very interesting. Why DS only and not Exakt though? Can't the same not be done in the Katalyst DACs in the Exaktbox/350s?

For technical reasons I fear that DSD for Exakt goes against the whole implementation.
Ie if you cant even have a balance control, why do you think SPACE optimization, driver modelling and filtering can be supported?
This is unless DSD to PCM is converted by KDSM CPU rather then fed to DAC. If converted by CPU, good bless, it must be terrible.

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2017-12-01, 09:35 (This post was last modified: 2017-12-01 09:35 by sunbeamgls.)
Post: #17
RE: Davaar Beta 60.192 DSD Katalyst
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2017-12-01, 10:27 (This post was last modified: 2017-12-01 10:30 by rockfather.)
Post: #18
RE: Davaar Beta 60.192 DSD Katalyst
Let me clarify some of the points mentioned
  • Playback is native DSD direct to analog, performed by the Katalyst DAC
  • Volume control is available, and is also performed by the Katalyst DAC

As the signal remains DSD until its conversion, no processing can occur which limits some of the available features
  • Songcast sending is disabled during DSD playback
  • Space optimisation is not applied during DSD playback
  • Signal cannot be transmitted across an exakt link (in its current form)
  • Balance control is disabled during DSD playback

Media servers supporting DSD files include
  • Kazoo Server - version 4.8.4 onwards (currently in beta)
  • Minim
  • Asset

Be aware that when making comparisons, many so-called DSD recordings have been processed as PCM at some point in their creation.
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2017-12-01, 13:49
Post: #19
RE: Davaar Beta 60.192 DSD Katalyst
(2017-12-01 10:27)rockfather Wrote:  Let me clarify some of the points mentioned
  • Playback is native DSD direct to analog, performed by the Katalyst DAC
  • Volume control is available, and is also performed by the Katalyst DAC

As the signal remains DSD until its conversion, no processing can occur which limits some of the available features
  • Songcast sending is disabled during DSD playback
  • Space optimisation is not applied during DSD playback
  • Signal cannot be transmitted across an exakt link (in its current form)
  • Balance control is disabled during DSD playback

Media servers supporting DSD files include
  • Kazoo Server - version 4.8.4 onwards (currently in beta)
  • Minim
  • Asset

Be aware that when making comparisons, many so-called DSD recordings have been processed as PCM at some point in their creation.

Thanks for the clarity rockfather.

Still best just to convert DSD to WAV and enjoy a Linn systems properly then.

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2017-12-01, 13:57 (This post was last modified: 2017-12-01 14:00 by Mihaylov.)
Post: #20
RE: Davaar Beta 60.192 DSD Katalyst
(2017-12-01 10:27)rockfather Wrote:  Let me clarify some of the points mentioned
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[*]Playback is native DSD direct to analog, performed by the Katalyst DAC
This is the default mode (“Normal path”) as showed in blue circle :
   
That’s right?

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