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What does streamer quality mean in Exakt systems?
2018-07-13, 19:29
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What does streamer quality mean in Exakt systems?
When I upgraded my Exaktbox with Katalyst it left me with an Akurate DSM as it was before. If I were rich I could get two Klimax Exaktboxes for sure and still use the same DSM. Does it not matter which DSM I use if I use Exakt?

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2018-07-14, 06:31
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RE: What does streamer quality mean in Exakt systems?
Source First. You'd be better off changing the ADSM for a KEDSM.

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2018-07-14, 11:07 (This post was last modified: 2018-07-14 11:12 by DavidHB.)
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RE: What does streamer quality mean in Exakt systems?
(2018-07-13 19:29)per a Wrote:  When I upgraded my Exaktbox with Katalyst it left me with an Akurate DSM as it was before. If I were rich I could get two Klimax Exaktboxes for sure and still use the same DSM. Does it not matter which DSM I use if I use Exakt?

Functionally, no. In terms of sound quality? Yes, a bit. But upgrading my Exaktbox to Katalyst was a bigger (and cheaper!) improvement than upgrading from an ADSM/1 to the KEDSM. 'Source First' is probably misleading in this context. In an Exakt system, the Exaktbox is the component that has most effect on sound quality, because it provides both the signal processing and the DACs. Note also that the KEDSM lacks the phono stage, digital outputs and headphone output you have in your ADSM; if you are contemplating an upgrade, you need to take those things into account if they are relevant to you.

I agree that two Klimax Exaktboxes would be best if money were no object. But, in the real world, the price differential between the Akurate and Klimax components makes the latter unaffordable, or at least cost-ineffective, for many if not most people.

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2018-07-14, 11:14 (This post was last modified: 2018-07-14 11:15 by Glyn Ruck.)
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RE: What does streamer quality mean in Exakt systems?
Wise counsel. System balance is also critical. Systems are let down by the weakest link in the chain & the component that has the most influence on sound. All components are important.
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2018-07-14, 11:28 (This post was last modified: 2018-07-14 11:33 by DavidHB.)
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RE: What does streamer quality mean in Exakt systems?
(2018-07-14 11:14)Glyn Ruck Wrote:  Wise counsel. System balance is also critical. Systems are let down by the weakest link in the chain & the component that has the most influence on sound. All components are important.

Very true (and it is important to apply the 'Source First' principle in that light). But I have found that going Exakt can change priorities somewhat.

For instance, with more channels in the system and no passive crossovers, amplifiers are generally worked less hard than in a passive system, so compromise on amplification may provide a reasonable means of staying within budget when upgrading to Exakt. Also, some speakers respond better than others to being driven actively rather than passively (and to the enhancements that Exakt can provide). As an example, in passive systems my opinion is that there is not a lot to choose between the M109s with a decent sub-woofer and the M140s. In Exakt systems (again IMO), the M140s are vastly superior, especially when they are fitted with the better bases.

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2018-07-14, 12:03
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RE: What does streamer quality mean in Exakt systems?
I was under the impression the OP already has a Katalysed Exaktbox, "driven" by his ADSM. Changing that for a Klimax E-DSM would be the way to go, before changing to Klimax level Exaktboxes, I would think.

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2018-07-14, 12:26 (This post was last modified: 2018-07-14 12:27 by DavidHB.)
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RE: What does streamer quality mean in Exakt systems?
(2018-07-14 12:03)timster (RadiatorCatHammock) Wrote:  I was under the impression the OP already has a Katalysed Exaktbox, "driven" by his ADSM. Changing that for a Klimax E-DSM would be the way to go, before changing to Klimax level Exaktboxes, I would think.

Yes, his signature says "Akurate Exaktbox Katalysed". He also implies that (as for most of us) a pair of KEBoxes would be out of reach. In those circumstances, I agree that getting a KEDSM (as I did) would be a possible next step. But, again in my experience, the cost-for-value of the KEDSM is much greater than that of the very effective upgrade the OP has already done, and replacing an ADSM with a KEDSM can raise system configuration issues; I had to buy a separate phono stage which adds further to the cost. The OP uses a headphone amp, for which the KEDSM has no compatible output.

Glyn's very valid point about balance becomes relevant here. THe OP has some very good, if old-ish, downstream components, but it might be worth considering where in the system the most improvement could be had for whatever budget is available.

David

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2018-07-14, 13:22 (This post was last modified: 2018-07-14 14:16 by per a.)
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RE: What does streamer quality mean in Exakt systems?
Thank you all. I am not upgrading for a while except for any software Linn delights us all with. I am extremely happy with the music I get. The question was hypothetical. It bothers me a little that my headphone signal is space optimized and not katalysed. I suppose I could buy newer amplifiers. And fine tune the SO.
I like the source first idea very much but it seems with digital content that the source has moved downstream.

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2018-07-14, 14:54
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(2018-07-14 12:03)timster (RadiatorCatHammock) Wrote:  I was under the impression the OP already has a Katalysed Exaktbox, "driven" by his ADSM. Changing that for a Klimax E-DSM would be the way to go, before changing to Klimax level Exaktboxes, I would think.

Is there really a difference in the Exakt data from a KEDSM and an AEDSM (or Exakt output of adsm)? If so, what and why?

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2018-07-14, 16:11
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RE: What does streamer quality mean in Exakt systems?
(2018-07-14 14:54)solanum Wrote:  
(2018-07-14 12:03)timster (RadiatorCatHammock) Wrote:  I was under the impression the OP already has a Katalysed Exaktbox, "driven" by his ADSM. Changing that for a Klimax E-DSM would be the way to go, before changing to Klimax level Exaktboxes, I would think.

Is there really a difference in the Exakt data from a KEDSM and an AEDSM (or Exakt output of adsm)? If so, what and why?

It's how the streamer processes, manages and maintains the integrity of the data, before it gets converted into whatever format Exakt data is.
If not, may as well ditch Klimax and Akurate, and just use a Majik in any and all Exakt systems!

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